nyahlathotep,
@nyahlathotep@sh.itjust.works avatar

Capitalists: Climate change is your fault and here’s an exhaustive list of every little thing a normal person does and how it negatively impacts the environment

You: fails to either learn to photosynthesize, or starve to death

Capitalists: Ugh, I can’t believe you would do this to the environment! This is all your fault!

galloog1,

Here it is, blaming emissions on capitalism again though plenty of non capitalist societies were just as poor for the environment within the context of their time. Just because in your preferred system you think you could force through the changes you want does not mean that that is a better system. What makes you think you will be in power or in the majority? If your preferred system is decentralized, that requires a lot of education, the same type that could literally solve this issue with the current system. If your system only works with massive amounts of education and trust, it cannot scale.

Maybe we should focus on the task at hand instead of trying to focus on radical change that will likely make the problem much worse before it gets better. You are literally making the situation worse because you are turning people against actual progress over your ideology.

Emissions based regulations are completely achievable and capitalist. It’s called addressing an externality. Additionally, avoiding the tragedy of the commons requires international treaties which take time, economic alignment, and robust demand on all sides.

nyahlathotep,
@nyahlathotep@sh.itjust.works avatar

Emissions based regulations are completely achievable and capitalist

Yes, that’s my whole point. They put the blame on us to distract us from enacting regulations with teeth. I’m not a hardcore socialist, just don’t like billionaires and companies lobbying to keep laws in their favor while simultaneously blaming us for everything.

galloog1,

But then those are not capitalists. That’s just anti environmentalism. Your language does not win you allies.

queermunist,
@queermunist@lemmy.ml avatar

There’s a fundamental contradiction between the capitalist reach for yield and environmental regulations.

In the long run, not having environmental regulations is bad for the market. In the short run, though, businesses can make a lot of money very quickly when they’re not regulated. This tension has lead to deadlock in every capitalist nation on Earth and it’s not getting better.

galloog1,

We may disagree on these points but it should be obvious that there’s plenty of opposition to your preferred system in the majority of the modern world. That’s why insisting on radical change as a precursor to action is counter productive to actual mitigation of climate effects. Even if you are right about the system being less effective at environmentalism, you are hiring the efforts to do something about the issue now and drastic action is needed.

That same tension existed in regards to national parks, CFCs, water management, wildlife management, waste management, and many other issues. What makes you think climate is any different other than bigger?

queermunist, (edited )
@queermunist@lemmy.ml avatar

That same tension existed in regards to national parks, CFCs, water management, wildlife management, waste management, and many other issues. What makes you think climate is any different other than bigger?

All of that was implemented while the USSR was still around. Without the boogyman around to scare capitalists into reforming themselves and implementing sustainable business practices, they won’t do it. That’s why we’ve been seeing all those Cold War era reforms eroded one after another, there’s just no need to placate the masses.

Maybe climate change can be the boogyman that the USSR was. It doesn’t seem to be working, though.

galloog1,

I don’t think it was the USSR that was the motivation behind it, at least the ones during that period. It might’ve been more the hatred of cities, cancer, disease, and pests respectively. I will admit, giving the USSR credit for the environmental movement in the US is a creative and new one for me. You are off by about 25 years there for the beginning but it’s close.

queermunist, (edited )
@queermunist@lemmy.ml avatar

The USSR deserves credit for pretty much every good idea the US has ever had since the New Deal.

And now that the USSR is gone, everything good the US has ever done is being eroded by fascists.

Makes you think!

galloog1,

No, that was me. I take credit for it all. No autonomy for anyone.

Ideas are great. Execution begets prosperity.

queermunist,
@queermunist@lemmy.ml avatar

It has nothing to do with autonomy!

The US only implemented reforms to placate the working class and stop them from getting any ideas of revolution. The Cold War was an ideological war, so once the USSR fell the spectre of revolution was gone. The Cold War “proved” that communism doesn’t work and there will never be a global proletarian revolution and there’s no need to placate the masses to keep them passive.

So, like I keep saying, that’s why everything good is being destroyed. They believe it’s not necessary because the threat of communist revolution is gone. The illusion of democracy is gone, now the ruling class can just do whatever it wants with no consequences.

Who cares if climate change kills the poors?

galloog1,

I’m sorry to break it to you but not everything is about your oppressive communist revolution. Not any more than any other historical counter to the liberal world. Don’t go through the world thinking everything is about what you care about.

All the hammer sees is nails.

Ichipurka,

A funeral hurst the climate. Please don’t die.

If you do, do it in the woods. So your body feeds the flora and fauna.

Mongostein,

I keep telling people to just throw me in the bush in a burlap sack because I don’t care. I should get a will going…

Danatronic,

If there’s enough left of me to bury then I didn’t protest against cars hard enough

HughJanus,

That’s in my will, actually. I have no attachment to my physical body once I’m dead. Donate me to science and put the rest of me in the ground and plant a tree on my corpse 🤷

Mouselemming,

I’m planning on dying at home and letting the cats feed on my corpse

phi1997,

They'll just keep meowing at you. You'll have to get up to feed them eventually...

RGB3x3,

You’ve nailed the “reuse, recycle” parts of the triad.

Erikatharsis,
Erikatharsis avatar

I walk around in biodegradable clothes covered from head to toe in pockets filled with native seed balls, so that when I inevitably die from heatstroke within the next five years, the pockets will eventually degrade and spill out hundreds of seeds to sprout and feed upon my decaying corpse. Call that kamikaze gardening

ApathyTree,
@ApathyTree@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

So you are like gurillia utaru? I’m down for that.

Hopefully you have a lot of super drought and heat resistant species that are also somehow magically hardy in climates that get winter, because the extremes are getting more extreme.

I’m legitimately so glad CRISPR is in the hands of pretty much everyone, and that kids are (and have been for many years) designing next-gen bioengineered 4H agriculture and farming projects, because they definitely have the vision to produce what we need and they don’t know they can’t do it (like we think we do) so they can!

Erikatharsis,
Erikatharsis avatar

Sorry, who is "gurillia utaru"?

ApathyTree,
@ApathyTree@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Wasn’t sure if that reference would hit, my bad. The utaru are a society of people in horizon forbidden west who are super in tune with the lands around them.

They each carry a seed pouch with them throughout their lives, and add seeds that are meaningful to them.

Upon death, when the seed pouch can be recovered, it’s planted in the sacred grove and tended as a memorial.

Guerrilla just refers to them being planted wherever instead of being brought home, like guerrilla gardening (en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guerrilla_gardening)

I’m realizing now that’s a lot of really niche references I took for granted, that’s totally my bad.

Erikatharsis,
Erikatharsis avatar

That's some nice worldbuilding, honestly.

ApathyTree,
@ApathyTree@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

It’s a really really amazingly done game. The world changes around you as to complete major side objectives. They spent a ton of time on the story, and it shows.

Warfarin,

Yes everything is climate change

Except when the elites do it, they can use private jets, hot water, gas, eat what they want and do what they want without consequences

cbsnews.com/…/bill-gates-private-jet-doesnt-make-….

But what you do will never be enough

Anyone who thinks this shit makes a difference and ignoring what China is doing on the daily are just virtue signaling fools

egeres,
@egeres@lemmy.world avatar

Hahah, that’s such a smooth reply tweet, I love when people use “bad english” on purpose. Is like a pair of jeans that are artificially weathered to make them look more beautiful. Interestingly, I feel like you can do it wrong and have actual bad “bad english”

TeaEndsAcronyms,

Dying hurts the climate too (⁠╥⁠﹏⁠╥⁠)

chairman,

No, you fool. Dying means you will decompose and that causes more carbon dioxide.

Etterra,

Definitely not massively polluting megacorps. Nope, it’s definitely billions of poor people eating grain.

Psythik,

I exchange the rice for lo mein every single time.

If I’m going to eat a bunch of carbs, they should at least taste good. I live in an Asian neighborhood so I eat a lot of Asian food; still don’t understand the obsession with rice.

regular_human,

rice is good but I’ll definitely fuck with some noodles

SneedsFeednSeed,

Unironically that’s the plan

Moohamin12,

This newspaper is from my country.

It was so badly run by some nepo hire that it went non profit.

A newspaper went non profit.

eleanor,

I found this article quite interesting as it adds some much-needed context to the original.

It’s mostly saying that, on a per-calorie basis, rice produces notably more methane compared to most other grains but still very much less than animal-agriculture (specifically, cows).

Realistically, rice will continue to be needed as a staple food in many places so it can’t be broadly eliminated as a food source. Most consumers who are trying to reduce emissions will be better off looking for ways to reduce their consumption of meat and dairy as it will have a bigger impact.

tenochtitlan,

The original article talks specifically about flooding rice farming. straitstimes.com/…/your-bowl-of-rice-is-hurting-t…

Apparently, flooding the field kills weeds but allows the rice plant to survive. The plant matter decomposes and releases methane gas. The article’s main point is to bring awareness to a planting technique that doesn’t produce methane gas. It’s clickbait more than corps doing there “take individual responsibility” thing.

roastpotatothief,

is str.sg/o94K a unit of climate damage?

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