Stop Using Discord for Your Open source Communities | mattcen's mumblings

Scary_le_Poo, 10 months ago

As an open source developer.

Fuck that. Discord allows me to do so much and centralize communication. Small developers do not have the manpower to monitor multiple communications. I know people love to tout matrix, but it’s features pale in comparison to discord.

Additionally, 99.9% of your users are already on discord. The other 0.1% are going to bitch and whine about the fact that you’re not using matrix.

ArcticCircleSystem, 10 months ago

Why not use a forum so that search engines can actually index information from the support site? Users are capable of going to forums. ~Strawberry

Scary_le_Poo, 10 months ago

Users are capable of going to discord. The vast majority of your users already have a discord account too! Awesome!

Forums are a pain in the ass to moderate and maintain. If you need a knowledgebase, wikis exist.

ArcticCircleSystem, 10 months ago

If I may ask, what makes Discord less of a pain to moderate? And forums also tend to be good for users to ask more obscure questions that aren’t likely to be easily answered on a wiki and for other users to be able to look them up later. ~Strawberry

Scary_le_Poo, 10 months ago

Discord has forums and enabling slowmode means that you can enforce longform content in them. The search in discord is better than any search in phpbb by miles, this isn’t even an argument.

Discord moderation is easy. See something, right click, perform action. Automod. Bots. The entirety of the “Safety Setup” section on discord servers. Verification levels. I mean, it’s not even remotely close. People arguing that forums are better are either delusional or have never really owned a remotely active discord server.

ArcticCircleSystem, 10 months ago

However, content in Discord servers can’t be indexed by search engines. ~Strawberry

crius, 10 months ago

This is something I said even recently here but the general consensus is that “it’s fine”.

It’s incredible how much people tend to just dismiss a valid concern when it’s not an immediate threat to themselves.

ono, 10 months ago

Putting a community on Discord also means locking it (and all the information you create over time) behind Discord’s license terms, policies, and whims.

I care about my users. I wouldn’t ask them to agree to those terms, let alone allow Discord to be gatekeeper of my communities.

TheOtherJake, 10 months ago

Worse yet. Install a whitelist firewall or have a look at the connections required to access Discord. You will immediately stop using it. It involves dozens of undocumented raw IP address connections and weird ports. Top this off by telling me what their business model is and how they are profitable. They provide no documentation whatsoever about what they are doing and why. The best explanation anyone has ever given me when asked why they use discord is, ‘because everyone else is doing it.’ That is idiotic nonsense.

ArcticCircleSystem, 10 months ago

The issue is a social platform is useless without the social aspect. If someone’s entire friend group is on one site, they’re unlikely to move to another. Trying to get the whole friend group to move is also easier said than done due to inertia and t eother members of the friend group also being in communities and friend groups that aren’t on the new platform. Now imagine that on the scale of a site like Discord and combine it with FOSS alternatives often have fewer features, less software support (for bots, clients, etc), and higher barriers to entry and you have a recipe for disaster for many new social media platforms. ~Strawberry

VoxAdActa, 10 months ago

I wish people would stop trying to use Discord as an information repository/hub. It’s a chat program. It’s designed for people to engage in transient, real-time back-and-forth communication, not to store discussions or information for long-term use. I get so cranky at people who insist that Discord can be used like a web forum when it so obviously sucks nuts at it.

A forum has content that can stay up indefinitely, where the message history on narrowly defined subjects is packaged into a convenient container and is visible as far back in time as one cares to go. It’s easily searchable, and old discussions for which a user has new questions can be brought back up to the top of the list, in full. Trying to recreate that kind of functionality on Discord is not only stupid, but also generally futile. It’s the exact opposite of what Discord is intended to be.

abrr1sz, 10 months ago

Absolutely. You can’t really search Discord communities and it is genuinely bad if you want to keep some important information for others to use. Channels were messy enough and the introduction of threads has made things even worse. I was once a moderator of a Discord server and I can say that moderation capabilities are (edit: were?) also very limited to the point where moderating a relatively active (2k+ members) server was getting a 24/7 job and we had like 7 mods(!).

I can’t grasp the whole concept of Discord servers even though I was moderating one. They’re bad as a knowledge base, they’re bad as a discussion platform, so why do people keep creating them? Moreover, why do so many open-source oriented communities (e.g. pine64) use the proprietary platform that is Discord? The only reason I see is solely the fact that Discord is very well known, and many people use it. And the situation is getting even worse: as far as I am aware Discord, which was initially created for communication between gamers, was widely used during the pandemic for online classes and a lot of development teams even use it as an alternative to Slack.

VoxAdActa, 10 months ago

I can’t grasp the whole concept of Discord servers even though I was moderating one. They’re bad as a knowledge base, they’re bad as a discussion platform, so why do people keep creating them?

I mean, as a chat room, it’s fantastic. It’s a massively upgraded IRC (except in terms of the ease of discovering new servers), with QOL features I didn’t even know how badly I wanted back in the old Yahoo! Chat days (such as the ability to spin up a temporary thread to take an in-depth conversation out of the main channel without going to DMs). It’s for discussions that happen right now and are not meant to be conserved forever because, generally speaking, they’re not expected to be that important. I love discord for that, because I miss chat rooms.

But it’s absolutely garbage for being a repository of static knowledge. Releasing patch notes only in discord is ridiculous.

Rentlar, 10 months ago

I would much rather be on matrix… but discord sure is convenient.

StrayCatFrump, 10 months ago

Have you tried Revolt? It’s supposed to FOSS and offer similar functionality to Discord. I keep meaning to try it, but haven’t gotten around to it yet.

fbievan, 10 months ago

entirely agree with this blog. If you are running open source or Free software communties, don't use discord to facilitate conversation.

noeontheend, 10 months ago

This is aptly timed for me—I spent some time this weekend trying to decide what chat service to use for a project of mine. I’m just starting to try building the community, so it feels like I should have a chat ready if/when people start showing up.

I didn’t consider Discord because I wanted to stick with free software, for the reasons outlined in this post and other similar ones. In the end, I settled on Zulip, but would be happy to reconsider (so far, the chat is just me talking to myself!) if anyone wants to suggest an alternative or has experience in a similar situation.

StrayCatFrump, 10 months ago

Supposedly Revolt is FOSS and is similar to Discord. I haven’t tried it yet, though.