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Q3b Beyond immigration records, what are some other indicators of chain migration? @genchat

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@BRMiller @genchat @RobertJackson58585858 @genchat Thanks Betsy. I need to research mainly in Illinois and Iowa, before I go further back into the east coast. My ancestors on both sides immigrated in the 1600’s.

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I also subscribe. I also struggle to get the search to work cleanly ... It's also difficult to reproduce a search to find things again :(

So I adopted the approach of screenshotting on my tablet anything I will want to keep then upload that image to my tree. I don't bother "linking" the articles to Ancestry.

The Australian (Trove) and NZ newspapers are a public database & rather good to search. Trove has a bot on Mastodon which pumps out a snippet every hour or two.

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ICEBREAKER Do you have instances of chain migration in your family line? @genchat

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Ahah!

Thank you.

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@genchat @genchat yes, chain migration! It led to thousands of descendants in the US who claimed they were related but there wasn't much proof. All surnamed MOSER and later MOSIER They came from small villages in Bavaria on 2 ships a couple of years apart in the early 1700's. I recount part of the story here. It is the classic 3 brothers story but there were 6 brothers and a sister! And these pre-date immigration records. https://wheatonwood.com/2024/01/05/the-three-brothers-story-retold-johan-martin-moser/ #chainmigration #immigration #bavaria #familyhistory #genealogy

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Erm

Erm

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Yes ... I now recall ... The other ship was the Birman.

Unfortunately on a later voyage the Martha Ridgeway sank :((

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A5 @genchat Of course, specific laws vary by country, but I wouldn't be surprised that many are similar.

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@edintone @genchat Oh, linguistics! I didn't even think of that!

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@genchat @genchat I highly recommend 'By faith alone : one family's epic journey through 400 years of American Protestantism'
by Bill Griffeth. In fact the whole series by Bill Griffeth, as he covers US migration from Europe and the aspects too. It's a great resource if you are not directly concerned with US .

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A3a @genchat Some examples from last night were: pages of the censuses (showing neighbors who they may have known in the old country), newspapers, letters, family stories, naturalization records

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@edintone @genchat That is an awesome site. Have you used "Old Fulton Postcards" newspaper site? They have even more pages than the US Library of Congress.

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Q5 - a biggie is explained by a Genealogy Note from Prologue Magazine - American women marrying immigrants could lose their own native citizenship!
https://www.archives.gov/files/publications/prologue/2014/spring/citizenship.pdf

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@BRMiller @genchat Yes, I've seen some posts written by @legalgenealogist about that!

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A5 @genchat A few examples from last night:
Jan - Quotas! See the Immigration Act of 1924. https://history.state.gov/milestones/1921-1936/immigration-act#:~:text=The%20Immigration%20Act%20of%201924%20limited%20the%20number%20of%20immigrants,of%20the%201890%20national%20census

Chris - There was a quota put in place in the late 1920s by the US government that really hampered chain migration. Didn't stop some people...

Me - I was also reading about the Chinese exclusion act & how they had to try to work around it. Probably should have saved the link

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The 'Pieces of History" blog at the US National Archives has several posts on the history of "control" of Chinese Immigration. Use "Chinese" in the search box.

https://prologue.blogs.archives.gov/

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Q5 What kinds of changes in the law affected chain migration? @genchat

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Stretching "Law" ... change in government policy to subsidised migration ... £10 passages from England to Australia in the 1960s.

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A4 @genchat some answers from last night:
Jan - Tip: Use Stephen P. Morse's One-Step Web Pages to look for Associated Passengers (on the same ticket) during some periods of immigration through Ellis Island.
https://stevemorse.org/ellis2/ellisgold.html

Heather - the focus on who people know - their neighbors, their cousins, their friends - build community. It can help you focus your research. If you encounter a brick wall with one ancestor, using this method might help you uncover more information through another person.

Chris - Letters, stories passed down. Sometimes friends are sponsors on Naturalization papers.

Me - neighborhood/community mapping of FANs can be an indicator of chain migration

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Stories passed down are important for my French cluster; Tony Belllet is my GGF.
Took me forever to find the burial of Marie Dompnier, since all the others are buried in Lee County (formerly Moore County) NC.
The Washington DC events helped track them (once I started looking there) and finding Fanchette's marriage was important since my mother could only tell me that her Aunt's name was "Tante" (Fanchette died 3 years before Mama was born, so she never knew her.)

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Oh - if I said good morning & it's not morning where you are, please forgive me; my coffee hasn't kicked in yet! @genchat

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@genchat @genchat I would not worry, we'll forgive you. It's always morning somewhere!

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@RobertJackson58585858 @genchat @genchat I have a pair of cousins who both emigrated with their families from / to via in 1830 and 1846. Both groups travelled on the same named ship - The Courier, but it appears the two ships were actually different vessels. The cost and logistics of the journey seem to have been quite an achievement at this distance.

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Perhaps for obvious reasons, as family historian, families are reluctant to have funeral / wake photographs. However I have found it can sometimes work (sensitively) and everyone seems happy to participate. Anyone else been there? @genchat

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Not so much photographs at my folks' funerals but the attendance cards (charity donation envelopes didn't come back iirc). And condolence letters/cards.

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@RobertJackson58585858 @edintone @genchat Michael last night mentioned funeral guest books as well. I still have to go through my parents' books.

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Jan mentioned other resources to find FANs as well: city directories, property viewers, obituaries @genchat

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I'm fond of newspaper local Social Columns. One Sunday luncheon listed my 4-year-old Mom with her hosting aunt/uncle, her parents, those grandparents and all other aunts/uncles on that line (with spouses!), and the widowed/childless sister of that grandmother, since they were the only surviving siblings of their family.

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In older or more rural locations, lists of purchasers at estate sales, found in probate files. Frequently family or friends - or business partners, for instance when something like a tractor was expensive and its' use was shared among property owners / tenants.

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One more thought on I'm a fan of as it handles genealogy facts, information and context as just that, without being constrained to immediately attach them to a family. Something that most genealogy programs don't allow you to do. It is also good for broader historical research too. It's free and you can get it here https://clsturgeon.github.io/MemoryKeeper/ @geneadons @genealogy @clsturgeon @genchat

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@genchat You can imports a Gedcom and add all that 'fluffy stuff" that doesn't quite fit anywhere yet!

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Almost forgot...last night, Lacey said that she found quite a few FANs in her family's correspondence. (After all, that's usually what people write about, right?) @genchat

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And, obvs, old address books ... one of my Arizonan 2c's had her nana's address book from her arrival through Ellis Island around 1913.

It had names and addresses of her two siblings shipped out to Canada by John Middlemore Homes to work on farms. And of their families.

Don't update/filter the hand written address books too much!!

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