C/politics@lemmy.world being US only is weird

I guess it is a consequence of the Reddit migration where the habit is just keeping the old community name. But having C/Politics being US only on Lemmy.world, an instance that aims to be international (hence the name), seems weird to me.

Would have been cool to give up this assumption that everything is related to US by default when moving away from Reddit. I mean, even the canadian political news of Lemmy.ca is CanadaPolitics.

Izzy,
@Izzy@lemmy.world avatar

US people are way too blind to the existence of the outside world. I’m sure they have no idea that Lemmy.World is not in the US. I’m not really sure what could be done about this other than making a new more broad politics community. I’d prefer the generic named community to be the one that is the most broad and then if you wanted only US politics to make a more specific community such as !USPolitics.

I don’t think it would be out of bounds for instance admins to force such change as they see fit if it makes enough sense.

snooggums,
snooggums avatar

Unless non-American politics is being deleted then it is just who the more prolific posters are.

Norgur,

Look at the rules. It IS being deleted in c/politics

snooggums,
snooggums avatar

That is weird!

Note: didn't notice that clicking the post heading would take me there until I checked after your reply and I'm still getting my head around the syntax for finding new communities.

MaxVerstappen,

Or you know, !worldpolitics could be a thing and you could stop telling other people how to think and behave.

Izzy,
@Izzy@lemmy.world avatar

I’m not telling people how to think and behave. That is a weird thing to say in my opinion. I’m sharing my thoughts and feeling. I don’t mind if people disagree or have counter points to make. That is the nature of discussion.

QHC,
QHC avatar

You clearly have an agenda in asking the question. There's no problem with that, but pretending you don't is... weird.

Izzy,
@Izzy@lemmy.world avatar

I clearly stated my opinion in which I don’t even feel that strongly about. It’s just some thoughts that came to mind. I’m not trying to sneakily conspire to influence things the way I want them to be. If stating how I feel is enough to accomplish this then it must be a pretty good idea.

pjhenry1216,

We all have preferences, but unless you convince the admins to be onboard for moderating communities so that they all follow a specific rule and can't be localized unless it's part of the name, I'd say let it go. I am not comfortable with the idea of allowing majority rules to simply take over a community simply because they think they have better use for the name.

G_Wash1776,
@G_Wash1776@lemmy.world avatar

That’s how you end up with another Reddit situation

Hazdaz,

Is it US politics simply because there are far, far more Americans on there than from any other country (especially English-speaking)… or is it US politics because other threads are blocked and/or deleted?

There’s a rather large distinction there.

We love you Canada, but let’s be real here, there are almost 10x more Americans than there are Canadians, so naturally there are going to be more political stories posted about the country with the much larger population. If non-US posts are deleted, on the other hand, then that’s messed up.

LChitman,
LChitman avatar

Rule 2 of the magazine is submissions have to be about US politics.

Overzeetop,
Overzeetop avatar

You get outta here with your "reading the rules" stuff.
lol

kabe,
@kabe@lemmy.world avatar

IIRC, over half of Reddit’s traffic was US-based. I’d be interested to see if the same is true for lemmy.world.

livus,
livus avatar

I think it was about 47% but it was a relative majority, or a plurality as Americans call it.

Falmarri,
@Falmarri@lemmy.world avatar

or a plurality as Americans call it.

Those silly Americans, using words in line with their definitions

livus,
livus avatar

Huh? Everyone uses words in line with their definitions. But New Zealand English and American English have differences.

"Plurality" isn't used in NZ English, but since there are a lot of Americans here I added it as a courtesy to make my meaning clearer.

Coming from a minority country this is just something we do.

If I were commenting about, say, what we normally call "lollies", on a predominantly British website I would add "sweets" and on a predominantly American website I would add "candy".

starlinguk,
starlinguk avatar

So less than half.

livus,
livus avatar

Yeah less than half, but still a bigger share than any other single culture, so that's how they ended up being the dominant group on most subs.

Ryumast3r,

When r/politics was created, and for a vast majority of reddits existence, Americans made up a majority of reddit, and for a long time made up a supermajority.

Of course there was a US-Bias.

yata,

It was less than half.

Izzy,
@Izzy@lemmy.world avatar

I’m sure they would delete non-US political news if it is part of their rules.

WhoRoger,
@WhoRoger@lemmy.world avatar

It’s most likely because r/politics on Reddit was that way, and people tend to make subreddit clones on Lemmy.

AFKBRBChocolate,

Right, which I think is the root problem. Not all the subreddit names were great - I would have liked to have seen us try to do better - but I think many were just trying to make the correlation between communities and subreddits as obvious as possible.

livus,
livus avatar

I see it as kind of a first generation migrant thing. Some people are bringing as much of their reddit culture with them as they can and trying to make it the same.

But we will grow and change and create our own stuff.

ShroOmeric,

More than weird, it should be corrected.

TerryMathews,

How quickly we want to become Reddit I guess.

MaxVerstappen,

Well, that community is just as toxic and block-worthy as the reddit sub already. Mission accomplished.

TerryMathews,

I was more meaning wanting the admins to fuck around with the communities a la /u/spez.

WhoRoger,
@WhoRoger@lemmy.world avatar

You can always leave to another instance or make your own if you don’t like the admins. Proper democracy in action. Wasn’t like that on Reddit.

ShroOmeric,

Only fair if you use a generic name like “politics” and make it only about US.

danc4498,

True, Lemmy users act like a bunch of landed gentries and Admins really shouldn’t allow this! /s

Neato,
Neato avatar

So should all instance users get to vote on what every community is for? Do the creators and mods of that community not get to decide that?

TerryMathews,

I actually took the other side of this argument when Lemmy was ramping up, that the concept of Federation needed to change to make the system more accessible to non-technical users. And I was told that my idea (federating the communities) was counter to the freedom that Lemmy was designed around.

It can’t be both ways. It’s a cathedral, or it’s a bazaar. But if it’s a bazaar then we have to deal with the reality that sometimes people beat us to the places we want and have different ideas for what they should be.

Nothing is stopping you from starting worldpolitics, globalpolitics, politics2 or politics on another instance.

WhoRoger,
@WhoRoger@lemmy.world avatar

Or Android and then lock it.

snooggums,
snooggums avatar

If it was on an instance named america.yeehaw that was clearly US centric it could make sense in that context.

ShroOmeric,

in that context.

InternetTubes,

As long as they can’t remove a comment without even a reason or a notification, it will hardly be as toxic, although it can still be plenty toxic.

Lev_Astov,
@Lev_Astov@lemmy.world avatar

That seems to be the nature of people who want to discuss politics online.

Squander,

It should change its name to US Leftist Politics. The mod u/YoBuckStopsHere is responsible for 80 percent of the posts and its comes with their bias. Their mods also delete posts and dont enforce the TOS. If you want to have any educated discussion about politics, thats not the place. Its a very close minded, hostile crowd over there.

YoBuckStopsHere,
@YoBuckStopsHere@lemmy.world avatar

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  • whenigrowup356,

    Are the admins deleting global content or something? If not, wouldn’t correcting it just be more people from other countries posting their own political news?

    Ab_intra,
    @Ab_intra@lemmy.world avatar

    It’s part of the rules:

    Must be articles relevant to US political news. Links must be to quality and original content. Articles should be worth reading. Clickbait, stub articles, and rehosted or stolen content are not allowed.

    YoBuckStopsHere,
    @YoBuckStopsHere@lemmy.world avatar

    There is a world politics as well as other regional politics communities on our side bar. We suggest subscribing to one of those if your more interested in those arenas of political discussion.

    fernandu00,

    I thought the instance name was just a name and had no meaning in that way (being international or smth) About posting about other countries …yeah O agree that is US centric but Lemmy is a niche…way smaller than reddit is (at least in my country) so is already hard to find people from other places and specially writing about things not US related. I don’t mind if this community is all about US …when people from other places start creating their own politics communities I’ll just join them.

    Compactor9679,

    You can start your own comunity cant you?

    gmtom,

    Can we change the sub icon then? Since it’s wearing an American flag hat thing?

    paddirn,

    I mean, we did a whole song about it like 30 or 40 years ago, “We are the world…”.

    HollandJim,

    Same issue on a few other c’s - maybe we need to add “_nonUS” or “_US” to lemmy/c names, or wait until Lemmy adds something like flairs.

    jordanlund,

    There’s stuff that crosses boundaries though, especially when it comes to US news.

    For example:

    A US soldier crossed the border into North Korea and is now being held captive.

    npr.org/…/what-we-know-about-travis-king-the-u-s-…

    US news? World news? Both? Neither?

    Froody,

    Neither, it is not relevant to anyone outside of the states.

    PutangInaMo,

    Well it’s immediately relevant to NK, SK. And USA… pretty global if you ask me. Oh and maybe Russia, China, Japan, Philippines, etc. Need to fill headlines with hot topics anyways.

    Froody,

    As if anything will happen over this. They’ll probably just exchange him or get him out via diplomacy.

    PutangInaMo,

    Oh I’m with you, it’s a filler story but nothing substantial.

    YoBuckStopsHere,
    @YoBuckStopsHere@lemmy.world avatar

    We include stories for world politics in relation to US Politics such as that one.

    QubaXR,
    @QubaXR@lemmy.world avatar

    I agree. on any other server it would already be questionable, but lemmy.world suggests international appeal. The default news should be world news, with each country heading their own channel.

    darkkite,

    🦅 🦅 🦅 🦅 🦅 🦅 🦅

    AncientMariner,

    The US have a world series for American football/American rugby which only they compete in. America is… errrm interesting.

    redballooon,

    Could a rich - say - Saudi not create a club, buy the best players, and then compete as a Saudi team?

    Asking for a friend.

    Crismus,

    They basically bought the PGA using that tactic.

    Anticorp,

    American football has the Superbowl. The World Series is for baseball, which is very much a global effort. Canada is the only other country that has a team (Toronto Bluejays), but MLB players are recruited from all over the world. Shohei Ohtani is from Japan, Julio Rodriguez, Carlos Santana , and a bunch of other players are from the Dominican Republic, Jose Caballero is from Panama… You get the picture. The MLB World Series is most certainly a series for the best baseball players in the world.

    AncientMariner,

    A bit of a delayed response, but I didn’t want to ignore it. I do stand corrected on many of those points. I don’t agree with the last sentence, but I appreciate the accuracy and will upvote.

    For something to be a world series, I would hope there would be teams around the world that represents the sport and compete against each other. For example, in football (your soccer), you have a world cup which has countries from around the world competing, and you have competitions like the Europa Champions League (the best clubs in Europe competing). I think one individual from a country doesn’t necessarily indicate country participation.

    marmo7ade,

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  • hyorvenn,

    99.99% of the users are in the USA

    are they

    InternetTubes,

    Really wish fediverse didn’t also port the “first one to win the race to a keyword gets to have it” from reddit!

    Although if you went world politics in a single subreddit, I can only imagine people would just fight about what really deserved to be in their imaginary “left/right” divisions.

    PutangInaMo,

    It is going to take some getting used to, but the honest answer is to run your own instance and host your version on that. Gonna get real weird though.

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