It’s actually irrelevant whether or not you buy a product made from slave labour, the product is already made! How much product is made is completely independent of how much gets purchased, because that’s how markets work!
That’s just useless semantics, neither funny nor clever. The pig you bought may be dead, but the money you pay will be used to raise and kill other pigs.
the pig was slaughtered in the past, before I walked into the store or decided what I’m eating this week. everyone involved was paid before all that, too.
Yeah, by everyone that buys meat. It’s simple. If we all stop buying it now they’re gonna run out and stop producing meat. The meat you buy today pays the meat that enters the store later.
They wouldn’t kill, or even raise the pig if they didn’t count on the money down the chain. We indirectly but surely pay for pigs to be created / killed, for our consumption.
It’s fine if you don’t care about that or accept it as your standards, that’s your choice and fair in our current social context. Just realize the economics behind it.
Yes, but they only pay those people if they expect to make a profit by selling the end product to you. You are one of the people who make it worthwhile to set up a chain of payments like that.
If they do not expect you (or other people) to buy the meat, they won’t pay those people to raise / kill the pigs.
Whether it’s you this time or someone else doesn’t matter. As long as there is a demand by end consumers they will continue. If no-one buys it they stop, it’s that simple.
You’re part of the group that enables this dynamic and your money goes to paying those people. It’s fine if you like meat, just don’t deny this basic logic.
No you’re not, but to dismiss that your actions still have influence on other people/systems is short-sighted.
Once more, it’s fine if you eat meat. You don’t have to consciously manage other people’s expectations. But just know that you automatically do. Buying meat is supporting the future production of meat, that’s all.
I believe if I didn’t buy meat, it would continue to be made, and in ever-increasing quantities. my purchases have no impact whatsoever on whether any animal is bred, raised, or slaughtered.
Unlike you, I am familiar with the pig government and we actually have an agreement that we eat their death row inmates. Crime has never been so delicious.
Are you telling me that you eatpork as some sort of... preemptive revenge? Because even in a hypothetical universe where pigs are top of the food chain, it would still be wrong to imprison and kill them. Which is why doing this to tiger/lion/bear would also be wrong in our universe.
Fun fact: Gas chambers are often used to kill pigs. You can hear their screaming from outside the facilities as the gas burns them to death from the inside out.
This is common practice.
It is plenty likely the victim in the picture whose mutilated corpse is very disrespectfully converted into sewage by now was gassed to death.
Nobody has said anything about the Holocaust or the Jews. This is standard practice of killing pigs.
If you want to have a conversation about this topic, I would like to highlight that we are animals too (just a different species) and I don’t think there is any moral difference between our species and dogs or pigs when regarding killing, even when I know about our differences because at the end of the day we are just individuals we clear interests in avoiding suffering and death, and byproducts of pigs are just unnecessary to consume and cruel to get.
Animals died to get eggs and cheese. Also the animals that are giving milk and eggs will die when they reach a certain age. Also I wouldn’t consider being in a cage 24/7, never seeing the sun, a “life” exactly.
That’s like saying you don’t mind buying blood diamonds because diamonds are just a rock. Of course they contributed to death, but in essence they are just a shiny rock.
You are thinking too hard. I never alluded to eating eggs or cheese being ethical or not. Cheese is complicated because of the bacteria that makes it, not because it came from an animal.
Yes exactly, you are bringing ethics into it. I wasn’t.
It’s a stupid comment about how eating pretty much everything but eggs and maybe cheese kills whatever you are eating. It isn’t some high level philisophical critique on the ethics of what we consume.
Oh I guess my comment does look like a vegetarian shopping list. My point was that even though many vegetables ‘die’ for us, there are things you can harvest without killing the plant/animal. Not as a moral stance, I doubt anyone cares more about carrots dying than cows and chickens suffering.
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