[Done] Pictrs Migration- Between NOW and 1700 UTC Image Upload Disabled

booganiganie, 4 months ago

Like myqqq attached is

cheese_greater, 4 months ago

Guyz, what is Pictr? Is it like Imgur?

Also, [excellent]

Draconic_NEO, 4 months ago

Kind of like Imgur, it’s a barebones Image hosting server which is what Lemmy uses to serve images uploaded to the instance. It makes it easier otherwise people would need to use things like catbox or imgur itself to host images.

I do feel like support could be better with it though, like if it gave us an interface where we could access our images from our account, or at the very least one for admins.

MigratingtoLemmy, 5 months ago

Congratulations on the move!

Yoz, 5 months ago

Is it amazon s3 storage? How much are we paying for it?

jelloeater85, 5 months ago

We are not using AWS S3, we try and keep costs down where it makes sense 😉

Yoz, 5 months ago

Bro who are you? I don’t see your name in the mod list

YoBuckStopsHere, 5 months ago

In case you’ve not visited the team page. Here is the LW staff.

team.lemmy.world/#-join-our-team-

Rambomst, 5 months ago

It says in their profile.

Lemmy.world tech lead.

Yoz, 5 months ago

Oh shit! Sorry I missed if

RickRussell_CA, 5 months ago

I saw “Pictrs Migration” and I thought was about to open a map porn post regarding the movement of ancient Scots.

Stamets, 5 months ago

Was wondering why I couldn’t upload anything. Well, 3 more hours to sleep in. Woo!

ShitOnABrick, 5 months ago

Ight awesome

AlpacaChariot, 5 months ago

Love how openly you guys communicate about the management of LW. It’s interesting for anyone with an interest in self hosting things to see how you’ve scaled up. Keep up the good work!

jelloeater85, 5 months ago

Thanks so much 💗

nix, 5 months ago

Is this migrating from pict-rs to object storage or upgrading pict-ra from 0.4 to 0.5?

jelloeater85, 5 months ago

Object storage. Sorry if that was unclear ❤️

nix, 5 months ago

Ah nice congrats on the move

jelloeater85, 5 months ago

Thanks! It’s a lot of work for the behind the scenes stuff, but we have a great team that really cares 👼

rezz, 5 months ago

Where can I read more about why this is happening?

misterbassman, 5 months ago

I have no insight into why it’s being done in this instance, but object storage is typically used when you want to move away from storing things on your web server with “fixed” storage, and instead store it in an “infinitely” expandable storage system. It is also much easier to manage when you have multiple servers as it’s separate and shared.

rezz, 5 months ago

Right on. This seems relatively important considering pict-rs is the lemmy default. Seems like a change that should be considered for the core repo.

ruud, 5 months ago

Actually 2 reasons why. First and most important, this was needed so we can use tooling to detect and remove CSAM material. Secondly, it’s because this is more cheap and scalable than having it on disk.

Quetzalcutlass, 5 months ago

Thank you for doing what you do.

I’ve heard that being a content moderator is absolutely soul-crushing work. Here’s hoping the new tooling lets you automate away the worst of it.

ripcord, 4 months ago

What kind, or host?

jelloeater85, 4 months ago

That we moved to S3 from filesystem

ripcord, 4 months ago

Right, but you said not AWS so I’m curious what either cloud-based S3 service, or baremetal appliance / stack you’re using with S3.

mrPickles, 4 months ago

Curious as well. Could be Cloudflare R2 since they said they’re using Cloudflare elsewhere, and it has zero egress fees. Or something like Minio. Obviously just wild speculation on my part.

ripcord, 4 months ago

Almost seems like he’s being cagey about not answering for some reason

Yoz, 5 months ago

Thanks. Can we also please block threads?

Rooki, 5 months ago

There will be a announcement soon and even if we dont defederate you can simply block threads yourself in 0.19!

TheBig2023Meltdown, 5 months ago

I hope you give us the option. I want to see what threads is like

Alchemy, 5 months ago

What is threads?

lordxakio, 5 months ago

Meta’s version of twitter.

GONADS125, 5 months ago (edited 5 months ago)

I implore you to read the article I just published regarding how people become radicalized. Your decision is ultimately going to affect the well-being and safety of the users of Lemmy.World.

I see the suggestion of personally blocking Threads purported as a solution, but that is limited to a personal level. That does not solve the problem of radicalization of the user-base in general. Users who have not blocked them or people viewing without a profile will be potentially exposed to misinformation and extremism.

As documented in my article, radicalization happens through a social contagion effect, in which repeated exposures reinforce the radical beliefs. People who otherwise would not believe such things become radicalized through repetition, and social media websites (including reddit and lemmy) serve as catalysts for radicalizing such vulnerable people.

Incels were spawned through their echo-chamber on reddit, and slowly radicalized to the point in which they have committed mass murder and acts of domestic terrorism. Read sources The_Donald on reddit was originally a satire subreddit that became a pro-trump echo-chamber, which snowballed into real-world extremism and had to be banned.

Threads has been subject to mass amounts of radicalizing, extremist content, and there have also been instances of users having personal information doxxed on Threads due to Meta’s information-harvesting practices. [1]

Threads was marketed to be open to ‘free speech’ and encouraged the Far-Right movement to join, who have spread extremism, hate, and harassment on Threads already. [3] Threads has been a hotbed of Israel-Palestine misinformation/propaganda. [4]

They fired fact-checkers just prior to Threads’ launch [1], however they claim they will have 3rd party fact-checkers next year. [5]

Meta/FB has a rampant history of illegal and unethical practices, including running experiments on their users which affected their moods and induced depression in many uninformed, non-consenting subjects. [6]

Meta/FB/Instagram also have a strong history of facilitating the spread of misinformation and extremism, which contributed to the January 6th insurrection attempt. [7]

If exploding heads was defederated with because of this sort of toxic extremism, why would you want to federate with a platform plagued by that same content? One known for shortcomings moderating it? And one which comes from a company with a long history of unethical practices regarding users?

With their rampant history of unethical and illegal business practices, I encourage you (the Lemmy. World team) not to federate with Threads for the well-being of the users in this instance. I have consistently seen a larger consensus of Lemmy.World users opposing federation than being interested in it.

A significant portion of Lemmy (in general as well as Lemmy.World) users migrated here from reddit after being disappointed in the reddit administration’s failure to represent their users’ interests. Unlike most of the users on reddit, a significant proportion of the users on Lemmy.World are the active users who cared enough about their principles to leave and start over here.

I have really valued the leadership of Lemmy.World thus far and have donated to you since my first week here, because I believed in this instance and our community. And I still do.

But I will be cancelling my donations and likely finding a different instance whose ethics are more aligned with my own, should you choose to federate with Threads. I have tried to be an active user and promote discussion and sharing content on Lemmy.World. But in federating with Threads, I believe you will lose a lot of active community members like myself.

I sincerely hope you will take this into consideration in making your final decision.

woelkchen, 5 months ago (edited 5 months ago)

0.19

ETA for update to that? Seems to work fine on the servers I’m aware of.

Rooki, 5 months ago

In the next week we will upgrade our test environment and test our automation there, if everything works fine we will then be doing it probably the week after that.

Bl4ze, 5 months ago

Thank you for your work.

Rooki, 5 months ago

Thank you! You are making lemmy great!

Draconic_NEO, 4 months ago

Want to say this because the release notes make it perfectly clear. Instance blocking is not and cannot be considered an alternative to defederation.

Users can now block instances. Similar to community blocks, it means that any posts from communities which are hosted on that instance are hidden. However the block doesn’t affect users from the blocked instance, their posts and comments can still be seen normally in other communities.

Not a replacement for defederation, it’s still needed to keep instances healthy. Plus the fact that Lemmy doesn’t really even have blocks, they’re just mutes called blocks (which are only useful under the assumption that the blocked account is innocent, and the blocker is just having a fit or doesn’t have credibility), if we had a way to restrict malicious users then I would say being more hands off isn’t that bad but as it stands there isn’t so defederation and moderation is still important and can’t be substituted with blocking.

Rooki, 4 months ago

But for those “I hate that instance BLOCK IT!!! FOR MURICA!!!” A instance wide defederation is too much. But for those really bad like csam or racist, radical instances it is the best to defederate.

Draconic_NEO, 4 months ago

That is a fair point, and I would agree if the only people calling for threads defederation were the snowflakes (the overly sensative opininated users you speak of). However many people have highlighted important reasons why threads federation isn’t a good idea.

Reasons such as:

• Embrace Extend Extinguish Concerns (Already discussed in great detail elsewhere I won’t beat a dead horse)
• Facebook has a very bad track record when it comes to shady and malicious practices
• Facebook has a very poor track record when it comes to effectively moderating spam and hate speech

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So while there are some bad and dumb reasons people argue for defederation there are legitimate concerns over this and threads.

Side note (also a bit of a rant):I feel like the sensitive snowflake users ruin it for people who have legitimate and valid concerns, they undermine efforts to make spaces better because people are so used to dealing with them that when a person brings up something that could be a problem or should be addressed the default response is to dismissively just tell them to block users or instances, under the assumption that a user is one of those snowflakes. (It happened back with the Rammy situation, when the user posted to alert the fediverse that their instance was rogue). Personally I feel like there should be more severity when it comes to users who make false/opinionated claims so that any claims in general aren’t treated as false or non-credible by default, but I also realize that would be difficult given the size of the instance and also isn’t really my pace to decide since I’m not responsible for user moderation outside of my own communities or ones I mod in.

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Just some things to think about. Also sorry for the late response, been having trouble on my Lemmy app. I guess better late than never though (lot of times it is never when I’m late to check or respond).

Rooki, 4 months ago

We will see. We will be of course not cu ksu king if we see a lot of just spam, hate or just ads to “Come over to threads” ads in any way we will look into defedarating them.

MigratingtoLemmy, 5 months ago

Love your work in managing Lemmy’s infrastructure at scale. Would like to join you sometime

jelloeater85, 5 months ago

Feel free to apply team.lemmy.world 🤓