RoseTintedGlasses, (edited )
@RoseTintedGlasses@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

the budget also like pushes through a shit ton of pro israel stuff too and about two thirds of the funding is going to the military to blow up kids on the other side of the planet. shit sucks, death to america.

https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/pictrs/image/163c5ab0-12b5-44f1-8e79-465a9bac1096.jpeg

SpaceCowboy,
@SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca avatar

Israel is going to get their hostages back one way or another.

Best case scenario is Hamas releases them as part of a ceasefire agreement. Israel having weapons means they have leverage over the Hamas psychopaths to compel them to release hostages making such a ceasefire agreement more likely. Hamas is a group of psychopaths, so they won’t do anything because it’s the right thing to so, they will only release the hostages if their lives are under direct threat.

If that doesn’t work, then Israel will go into Rafah. There will be a lot of casualties if this happens. There will be even more casualties if they need to resort to using less accurate munitions as part of this assault. In this scenario the US not supplying laser guided munitions will result in increased casualties.

If you think that false accusations of genocide is going to somehow make Israel accept that their people should remain hostages of Hamas forever then you are deluded. If you think a lack of laser guided munitions is going to prevent them from doing everything they can to free the hostages, that’s also delusion. A lack of accurate weaponry isn’t going to prevent civilian casualties, in fact it will increase the number of civilian casualties. Is that what you want?

The rational starting point to understand this conflict is to understand that Israel is going to make every effort to free the hostages and this isn’t something that is negotiable. Starting from that point think about the best course of action to minimize civilian casualties. It’s not screaming “genocide.” it’s not blockading Israel, it’s not all the other ineffective actions that deluded activists scream about constantly. The best course of action to effectively minimize civilian casualties is exactly the course of action Joe Biden is taking.

If you actually cared about really minimizing civilian casualties you’d be supporting Joe Biden. If you felt the need to scream you’d scream at Hamas to release the hostages so this conflict has a chance of coming to an end. But it seems activists are more interesting in screaming the self-righteous anger and don’t really care about the lives of Palestinian people. But the self righteous anger gets a lot of internet points which is what you really care about, isn’t it?

Joe Biden actually cares about the Palestinian people more than you do. You’re just about being performative while being ineffective, while Biden is being effective without all the performative bullshit.

TheControlled,

Are they, like, really expensive pride flags?

cupcakezealot, (edited )
@cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Fwiw the White House has already pledged to veto it

*the flag ban not the entire budget

shalafi,

I have zero problem with this. No US embassy should fly any flag other than Old Glory. No POW flags, no LGBT flags, nada. Full stop. These are US embassies representing all Americans, and the only flag we all live under is the Stars and Stripes.

Don’t like that take? How about I lobby to fly a personal favorite. I’m actually partial to the one on the left. No one has an issue, right?

thedevisinthedetails,

Wow what a strong opinion to have about something you only just learned about.

doubtingtammy,

I don’t care about the other flags, I just specifically don’t want the pride flag to be flown. I don’t want my flag to be associated with a genocidal empire

SpaceCowboy,
@SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca avatar

Seems you’re addicted to hating the US so much that you don’t want it to ever improve.

Zorsith,
@Zorsith@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

The US is weirdly flag obsessed to begin with

Crow,

Can’t we have both tho? Does a second flag somehow diminish the meaning of a country flag? Shouldn’t a country also show off their values, especially in embassies in other countries? Tho, America doesn’t value queer people so I guess it makes sense. Maybe I’m just not patriotic enough as a European, because if I heard that my country was removing pride flags I’d get quite crossed

lolcatnip, (edited )

Does a second flag somehow diminish the meaning of a country flag?

Yes. Which is fine in most contexts, but for an embassy is basically the same as a sign saying what the building is for, so adding more flags muddles what should be a very clear message: “This building is an outpost of the US government.”

Tho, America doesn’t value queer people so I guess it makes sense.

Yeah, flying a pride flag would be misleading. It’s like all the rainbow police cars were have in Seattle even though everyone knows cops aren’t on the side of LGBT+ people.

SpaceCowboy,
@SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca avatar

Huh, I thought an Embassy was meant for diplomacy. A big part of diplomacy is soft power which means making nice with other countries. If a country is having a festival of some kind, it’s nice to say “yeah America supports your festival because we’re friendly people like that.” This makes people in that country like the US a little more and furthers US interests in a small way.

I feel like your approach is to take a somewhat undiplomatic approach to how US Embassies are run.

AmbiguousProps,

The fact that things like this can be attached to spending bills is insane.

Ranvier, (edited )

That’s because the headline is slightly misleading. Technically the bill says US government funds can’t be used to buy pride flag to fly above state department facilities. Theoretically there wouldn’t be anything to stop someone from buying it with out of pocket money and flying it, or use flags they’ve already purchased. Still ridiculous though, I know.

Gormadt,
@Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Straight up

It’s a budget, it should only include budget related things

RedditWanderer,

But the republicans know nothing about politics, only blackmail and abuses of power

skulkingaround,

Our spending bills have gotten absurdly bloated because it’s pretty much the only reliable way to actually pass legislation without getting trapped in filibuster land or having it killed by the speaker.

Congress has become a joke and their refusal to do anything effective has resulted in handing over way too much power to the court and executive branch. It breaks the checks and balances and huge amounts of the federal government dysfunction we see is rooted in that.

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