LemmyIsFantastic,

And yet most people choose Windows.

You guys will never ever understand and you’ll be on your death bed screaming Linux DE is just fine and totally just as easy to use.

pewgar_seemsimandroid,

made in mac?

snakegums,

The word art really makes the joke

Flabbelgnarpf,

No no no they didn’t do that didn’t they?

MarioBarisa,
@MarioBarisa@lemmy.ml avatar

Microsoft is the only company that can make so many bad decisions in such a short time…

AbsolutelyNotCats,
@AbsolutelyNotCats@lemdro.id avatar

I think you forgot Elon musk businesses

seitanic,

I think X still has them beat.

jroid8,

For a second I though you were talking about xorg. Curse you elon

SaltyIceteaMaker,

Thought so to until i read your comment and remembered that X (twitter) exists

user224,

I tried Windows 11 on an old laptop I had. Experience:
“Why the hell is TikTok installed?”
Clicks icon
“Installing TikTok”
“No, you retard!”

ytrav,

i thought linux users would be smart enough to know what ads are and their first thought would be to right-click and choose “remove”, instead of opening it

guess i overestimated them a little

SaltyIceteaMaker,

Imagine being so used to ads that you make fun of people who aren’t.

Pretty sad actually.

ytrav,

I’m used to ads because i actually go outside and see the light of day.

SaltyIceteaMaker,

The fact that you are used to ads EVEN THOUGH you go outside is even more sad. I live in the city and even i don’t regularly see ads. Only on like bus stops and such

captain_aggravated,
@captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works avatar

So Windows users are so used to ads on their desktops that they feel smug when someone doesn’t recognize them. Weird flex, but okay.

BautAufWasEuchAufbaut,
@BautAufWasEuchAufbaut@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

How about not using slurs?

ColdWater, (edited )
@ColdWater@lemmy.ca avatar

People say why go the extra step just to disable ads and uninstall crap on windows 10, but never say why go extra extra step just to get that one windows software running on Linux oh and MacOS is fucking suck lol

ddkman,

This is why I switched. You need to edit to registry to make edge not create a toolbar on your desktop. And I was like, if I jeed to edit toolbars might as well run linux. And i did

Croquette,

For whatever reasony work tools on Linux aren’t working right now, so I am using win10 for the moment.

The start menu is a fucking nightmare. I don’t care about what’s on the internet when I am looking for my software. This isn’t a mobile phone.

What’s even worse is that I know what the name of my software is. But half the time, when I use the start menu, the web results and ads load first and it takes a while to show my software, if it ever shows up at all.

Liz,

Install Classic Shell. It lets you change the windows UI to go back to the old Windows 7 UI (or earlier.)

lemmyingly,

Let’s not live in the past. Just disable internet searching from the start menu.

I agree, it shouldn’t have been built in and on by default and it should be easier to disable.

Personally I think Win10 start was peak Windows start because it was the most customizable.

at_an_angle,

Maybe it’s just my age, but I use File Explorer to find things on my PC.

But Windows loves to not show you things, and the main folder(C:) just seems to get worse and more cluttered with folders with a name like: 4783DDBMJUD84WWIOT.

Croquette,

Well, the thing is that the start menu used to be useful. So the habit is there. Even in Linux, this is the same.

But now in windows, it’s a pile of crap riddled with ads.

at_an_angle,

Even when Win95 came out, I was so used to 3.1 navigation and the MSDOS prompt, the Start menu just never had any appeal to me.

Hell, I even right-click to shut down or restart.

Croquette,

I started using computers at windows 95, so to me the start menu was always there.

Gumus,

I highly recommend Powertoys Run (powered by Wox) with the Everything plugin. It brings a Spotlight-like search with lightning fast search and many features like calculator, running commands and others. I almost never use the start menu nowadays. And all of this is available through Chocolatey.

Also there’s plenty other nifty tools you get as a part of Powertoys (I couldn’t live without Fancy Zones).

https://lifehacker.com/how-to-set-up-microsofts-new-spotlight-esque-powertoy-i-1843566673

lorez,

I love Everything. Cannot recommend it enough.

Croquette,

I will look into that. I installed chocolatey and I really appreciate a package manager in windows. Gives me a bit of familarity

SGHFan,
@SGHFan@lemdro.id avatar

Needless to say, just makes myself happy to use Linux in 2023. Never buying another Windows device.

OldPain,

What do you have a Surface or something? What Windows devices do you have?

SGHFan,
@SGHFan@lemdro.id avatar

No Surface. Just a dual-boot Lin/Win PC, a flight sim PC, and a driving sim PC. All run Windows. Everything else has Linux, even a Galaxy Book2 360 (which is notoriously hard to get Linux working)!

Crow,
@Crow@lemmy.world avatar

Yah wtf happened. I used Linux back in the day and it sucked. Now I check out Linux and it’s gotten so damn good over the last few years.

Fades, (edited )

no shot I’m trading in win 10 for this ad-ridden win11 bullshit. They’ll do anything to keep them record profit quarters coming

with that said, these comments are just fanboi bullshit. Fuck this ‘my team’ mindset bs.

ILikeBoobies,

You shouldn’t stick with 10 past the end of security updates (2025)

Go to 11 if you want to stick with Windows or go to Linux/Mac if you want to be ad free.

And you can hack the ads out of 11 but you won’t get Microsoft to stop unless you threaten their market share

mlg,
@mlg@lemmy.world avatar

Agiant most of these comments.

Mac actually does have one major similarity to Linux (beside it being posix)

spoilerThe UX sucks just as much as GNOME 4x xfce for life lol

ILikeBoobies,

I don’t like start menus, I much prefer the UX of Gnome

Thurkeau,

The main two things I like about start menus is that it keeps all your apps out of the way, and in some resemblence of organizatoin, instead of just barfing them all out in one big cluttered mess, which is part of what turns me away from Apple, or Gnome. However, they’re not as easy to use on touchscreens. That said, ads deeply nerf this advantage.

ILikeBoobies,

I use search for any given app (start menu or not) so it’s all a cluttered mess as it filters down but the larger icon makes finding things faster

I do have a folder for OS utilities though because outside of terminal I don’t use them enough to know them

EmperorHenry,
@EmperorHenry@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

O&O shutup 10

you’ll love your windows machine once you turn off the bullshit.

doctorcrimson,

I’m just rocking this LTSC Windows 10 version for the next 7 years, don’t mind me.

angrymouse,

I did it with windows 7, and tried to do this with 10 after debloaters came to it. But 1 year ago I had to work with a win 11 machine, after I saw what I would be inevitable using in the future in my machine I decided to do a full switch to Linux. I just can’t, windows were always a decently customizable SO but they are trying to make it a macOS with ads

flying_sheep,
@flying_sheep@lemmy.ml avatar

That might be acceptable if they didn’t turn at least half of the bullshit back on with every bigger update. And some things just can’t be turned off. E.g last time I checked it was impossible to tell Windows not to “recommend” setting edge as default browser in the fucking start menu.

HelloHotel,
@HelloHotel@lemmy.world avatar

Its time to start replacing dll files

uint8_t,

pro tip: replace all the dll files at once using mkfs.ext4

HelloHotel,
@HelloHotel@lemmy.world avatar

I got an error when trying to do so

’ mkfs.ext4’ is not recognized as an internal or external command, operable program or batch file.

yoshipunk123456,

You can download it here

Draconic_NEO,
@Draconic_NEO@lemmy.world avatar

Who told you it was impossible? Let me be clear, the things Windows support people say are “impossible” certainly are possible, they just aren’t recommended or authorized by Microsoft i.e. Breaking License Validator for endless Valid activation.

The really “impossible” ones often require a lot of work, such as patching dlls or exe files, they’re still possible though. Microsoft and their stans can argue “but security” but the fact of the matter is that windows is already insecure garbage, it’s not going to get any better and arguments that it will are almost 100% cope. If security was a real concern they would’ve jumped ship long ago to a Unix system like Linux.

flying_sheep,
@flying_sheep@lemmy.ml avatar

Yeah, and if you patch things like this you break updates completely. Luckily I switched to Linux before thinking of doing bullshit like that.

Draconic_NEO,
@Draconic_NEO@lemmy.world avatar

I’ve already tried it before, can confirm it breaks updates completely, also breaks the UWP apps since they depend on update functionality to keep working.

Should note that even though I still have the computer it was installed on I don’t use it anymore, I’ve moved on to better Hardware and Linux.

EmperorHenry,
@EmperorHenry@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

Just get brave browser and set that as the default. No issue.

EuroNutellaMan, (edited )
@EuroNutellaMan@lemmy.world avatar

If you need to go out of your way to periodically turn off half the OS in order for it to be good then it’s not a good OS.

Leaving aside the fact you can’t turn everything off without either knowing exactly what you’re doing (at which point begs the question why you’re doing it rather tjan the better option) or being willing to blindly follow some tutorial at the risk of bricking your machine, disabling all the bullshit windows does is way more time consuming than installing Linux for no real benefit.

HelloHotel,
@HelloHotel@lemmy.world avatar

For my machines, i would be forced to use windows if the smart people didnt make proton and wine. Otherwise Ms puts you in a bind where you put up with it or lose access to software. EXEs hold any software hostage thats not also compiled for other platforms.

uglyduckling81,

I don’t agree with the Mac one.

The Mac UI is basically windows 3.1.

It’s absolutely awful.

Also, windows will never brick your machine because of a full hard drive. My wife has a shitty MacBook air. She filled the drive completely. The OS can no longer function. It boots and that’s it. You can’t open anything, you can’t delete anything. Every single click says free up HDD space, even deleting files.

It’s so fucking bad.

HelloHotel,
@HelloHotel@lemmy.world avatar

Honestly, whyd they never think to use a seprate home partition or setup quotas or fix hdd expectations to prevent errors bricking the desktop.

doctorcrimson,

What does it even mean “more dependable”? And the “ease of use” apparently comes at the cost of user control and privacy, the old “walled garden.”

BigNote,

Yeah, the “ease of use” one is complete bullshit. It’s “easy to use” if you’re accustomed to their “walled garden” model and don’t mind everything being automated so as to deepen your dependency on their larger ecosystem.

It’s all bullshit.

kalleboo,

Well to begin with, it only has one control panel instead of like 3

Rambi,

That’s insane lol, how did they even let an issue lile that slip by… is it just a bug with one version of MacOS or something?

Also to fix it, maybe you could reinstall MacOS? I installed MacOS on a computer I built for a friend years ago, it was a “hackintosh.” If you can install it on all non approved hardware surely it’s possible with an actual Macbook. Just because they’re so absurdly expensive it would be a shame for it to be gone for good. Which is another issue with Apple’s x86 products, you’re paying what like $1500 or more for about $350 of hardware which half the time thermal throttles anyway because they make it thin at the expense of cooling.

uglyduckling81,

Yeah, the issue is, the laptop is full of photos. She took it to Apple after I failed to figure it out. They said they can wipe it but not recover the photos.

It’s just a crap system.

Rambi,

Ahh I see, yeah that’s a tricky situation. Maybe one of these solutions could work? the first paragraph or so says that if you can turn the Mac on, even if you cant do anything, recovering the data might not be as hard

LufyCZ,

$350 in hardware sure, hardware that someone had to design and especially nowadays with Apple Silicon, that shit doesn’t come cheap

Rambi,

Yeah I guess Apple have there own x86 chips now? Regardless I would rather have a normal computer with an AMD or Intel chip and pay a normal price. I’m sure those CPUs would be better for my purposes anyway

LufyCZ,

They use ARM now, which is super efficient, the laptops last forever on battery.

If there’s one thing Apple’s done right, it’s Apple Silicon

Rambi,

Huh I haven’t really kept up with consumer tech for the last few years, that’s interesting. Didn’t they have software issues with instruction sets being different? Or does MacOS being Unix based help with that or something. I do know their mobile processors have been competitive especially in single core performance for a while so I’m sure their desktop ones are good.

But, either way they products were still 3x the price of comparable products even when they had crappy x86 Intel CPUs lol. I’m still not very convinced they’re not overpriced sorry to say

LufyCZ,

They’ve built a translation layer in for compatibility, though it’s not perfectly fast, it’s more than good enough from what I’ve heard.

It being Unix based definitely helps, though don’t doubt Apple wouldn’t have been able to deal with it if that weren’t the case.

The chips really shine in laptops, I’d say desktops are a bit weaker, unless you’re doing something heavily optimized (Final Cut Pro f.e.).

The biggest win is energy consumption, the difference is insane, I recommend you look up a benchmark or two, can range from 2 to 10x more efficient.

I honestly don’t agree though that they’re 3x the price of comparable products, the new Macbook Airs are pretty solid pieces of hardware for an okay sum of money. It really depends on your workload though, if you’re gaming, you’re gonna have a terrible time, if you’re a dev / work in the browser / do some light editing you’re gonna love the battery life and perf’s not gonna hold you back.

Rambi, (edited )

Yeah that’s definitely quite interesting, it’s pretty similar to what Microsoft was trying to do with putting Windows on phones I the Early 2010s. I think only really Sony ever adopted it for their phones and they never sold well, but I thought it was interesting at the time.

There’s a decent amount of ARM laptops that are running Windows so maybe that it where the laptop market is heading, it makes sense because the big.LITTLE cores ARM SOCs use are specifically designed to use as little power of course. A Chromebook I had a while ago had a (iirc) Tegra K1 ARM and that had great battery life even for a Chromebook.

As far as pricing on Apple products goes I don’t think you will ever convince me they’re good value for money :P. Sure 3x the price of comparable products is am exaggeration, I would say it’s more like 1.5 or 1.75x the price normally. I mean saying it’s “good for web browsing” essentially just means it doesn’t have good components but these things are priced in the range of what like $1000 right, you could get a nice chromebook that also has an ARM CPU and is good for web browsing as half the price. I’m sure MacOS on ARM is a more useful OS than ChromeOS in terms of the software you can use on it, but for most users that probably isn’t even important.

I think there’s a reason Apple has the largest cash reserves and of any company and the highest market cap (not sure if that’s the case ATM) but they move less products than companies like Samsung, it’s because they have fat profit margins. I’m not saying their products are bad, they’re mostly great and some of their products are genuinely disruptive. I just think they aren’t good value you know. Which is fine, they aren’t really meant to be I don’t think.

LufyCZ,

Windows on ARM is really incomparable to MacOS on ARM, it’s like comparing a 15yos Hello World to a senior engineer’s 10yo project.

Yes, for simple web browsing ChromeOS is just fine, but you can do so much more with a fullblown system. The performance is also in another league.

I honestly would say that the 16GB mbAir is good value, if it fits your use case (no gaming / heavy x86-only programs).

Don’t forget Apple makes a shitton of money from services (AppStore, iCloud…), which often make a lot more money than hardware (so Sammy is at a disadvantage here).

I’m not trying to convince you the Apple’s awesome, I don’t think that myself either (on the contrary), but their chips just are pretty awesome

Rambi,

Well I never said MacOS on ARM isn’t a lot better than Windows on ARM, I’ve heard about the issues people have had with their ARM Surface Pros.

I think for the specific use case you mentioned, being someone who needs to do more than just web browsing and needs to go without access to an electrical outlet often, while not needing to use x86 software- in that case sure if you can afford it a MacBook is good value because not really anything else competes with it.

I just see a lot of people drop $1000+ on these things and then just watch YouTube on it and edit Google docs etc lol. That is more what I was thinking of when I say they’re overpriced. Those people are just buying Macbooks, and other Apple products because Apple is a very powerful brand which is why they can have relatively fat profit margins because the strong brand image makes their products’ demand more inelastic. Not saying I have anything against that though. It’s not like I spend all of my money perfectly rationally, everyone has different things they like to splurge on I suppose.

The_Mixer_Dude,

It’s also become less and less stable over the years

techognito, (edited )
@techognito@lemmy.world avatar

Also, windows will never brick your machine because of a full hard drive. My wife has a shitty MacBook air. She filled the drive completely. The OS can no longer function. It boots and that’s it. You can’t open anything, you can’t delete anything. Every single click says free up HDD space, even deleting files.

The almost exact same thing happened to a friend of mine using Windows 11. The machine booted, but he was unable to log in.

Also windows 10 updates has twice deleted all my files, I am now no longer on windows.

edit: Thanks to psud@aussie.zone for teaching me something new. (quotes formatting is a thing)

HelloHotel,
@HelloHotel@lemmy.world avatar

Please tell me you had backups

techognito,
@techognito@lemmy.world avatar

I did for the most important stuff, but redownloading my game library was not fun.

psud,

You can format quotes better by starting each quoted line with a >

It looks like

Also windows 10 updates has twice deleted all my files, I am now no longer on windows.

EmpathicVagrant,

you can format quotes better by starting each quoted line with a >

Thanks

Ghostalmedia,
@Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world avatar

Your wife’s experience sucks, but having done IT for sizable orgs in the past, my experience was that OS X and Apple’s hardware usually needed less coddling than the various Windows machines. Although they did have some lemon OS releases here and there, and those fucking keyboards from several years back were the devil.

Any OS is going to have anecdotal horror stories. If you want to get a real read on reliability you really need more than a sample size of 1. You need scale.

FourPacketsOfPeanuts,

You need scale

Can’t scale. Hard drive full.

The_Mixer_Dude,

I was supporting MacOS and Windows systems in an extremely vertical stability situation and I honestly never had to touch the Windows machines that were cobbled together parts computers. All the Mac’s were a constant house of cards waiting to topple. Coming drives constantly for last minute hail Mary solutions, crashing issues that could never be explained without any explanation or hint to what the issues were. Sending systems back and forth for repair. Fuck it, avoid MacOS at all costs

Ghostalmedia,
@Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world avatar

I’ll take my experience out of the picture. If you google Mac and PC enterprise costs, or total cost of ownership, you can find a ton of enterprise studies on this.

Usually the big problem with MacOS is whether it supports the damn software the organization / department needs. And by support, I mean native, not through a janky emulator.

TCO, has been compelling for decades. Folks often report longer lasting workstations, fewer tickets, and less malware. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

The_Mixer_Dude,

All I see is sources that say Windows is less problematic and less expensive long and short term. I found one source that says otherwise called JAMF and that actually turned out to be, well, as they put it “Helping organizations manage and secure an Apple experience that end users love and organizations trust.” So I’m gonna have to omit this guy for bias

Metal_Zealot,
@Metal_Zealot@lemmy.ml avatar

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Lucidlethargy,

Lol Apple absolutely does not do that… They just add extra crap nobody wants.

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