What's the deal with Hexbear?

Has anyone else noticed how prevalent Hexbear posters have suddenly become? Maybe sometime last week I noticed nearly every political post had at least one long thread of Hexbear users that do nothing but repeat CCP talking points while waving anyway anything even remotely reliable as Western propaganda. That or getting all excited about trolled libs. The way they tell it, you’d think everything from DW, to Fox, to Propublica, to straight up AP News articles, are all written by the same people.

Not to mention, their info on the Fediverse observer is either straight up wrong or there’s some serious botting going on. According to that, the instance is less than a month old, yet somehow they already have one of the largest, most active userbases, along with far and away the most comments of any instance.

Seems to me like Lemmygrad on steroids. Considering we defederated from them, seems like a no-brainer to block Hexbear as well.

So glad this thread could become such a perfect microcosm of why we need to defederate.

CloutAtlas,

I do like how libs use the same arguments as conservatives when arguing against leftists.

I remember back on the Reddit days getting called a shill for George Soros for saying universal healthcare isn’t going to make their taxes go up to 99.9% and end society. And I dismissed their PragerU and Breitbart counterarguments.

Also it’s easy to think of western news media as credible when you forget recent history. In the 90’s they said the Mujahideen and Osama Bin Laden were freedom fighters or how Americans did some election interference in Russia to elect Yeltsin (and his right hand man Putin). Aged real well. Or how about in the 00’s there were suddenly WMDs in Iraq? (I’m not going to link anything since even libs admit this was western propaganda). The cancel culture mob even got the Dixie Chicks! In the 10’s it was pushing to bomb Iran or North Korea. Afaik this goes back a while, the US media blamed the sinking of the Maine on Spain to justify going to war with Spain.

Anyone with a memory longer than a goldfish should be suspicious when either liberal or conservative media posts negatives about their economic or ideological rivals. To their credit, though, sometimes they do admit they were wrong about Social Credit or the balloon that flew over the US didn’t collect any information which is something. But these don’t make headlines in the same way.

420blazeit69,

Look, the U.S. has only lied to start a war in the 1890s 1900s 1910s 1920s 1930s 1940s 1950s 1960s 1970s 1980s 1990s 2000s 2010s, and the media went along lockstep, but that was ancient history! We’ve got this war totally right and definitely won’t conclude we were wrong in the future!

ShimmeringKoi,
@ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net avatar

Slappy Bass Riff

trudge, (edited )

My quarterly KPI numbers were down and my handler was not pleased but the party always provides.

Thank Xi for the federation. This has been the best thing that happened to my social credit score since the coverup for the failure of the Three Gorges Dam.

GaveUp,

Nice! I managed to get my social credit score over 4000 for the first time ever since federation happened

I’m so happy I can finally stop being shamed by my family for being a sorry excuse of a Maoist

Mardoniush,

Not being shamed by your family is a twelfth type of Liberalism.

socsa, (edited )

Their stated goal is to disrupt conversation to deny “shit libs” a platform. Users who do this should be banned as trolls if they continue, IMO. Unfortunately they seem to get special protection on lemmy.ml, perhaps unsurprisingly.

brain_in_a_box,

Stated where?

Or are you just lying nakedly?

robot,

Stated right here.

brain_in_a_box,

Nice try, but I can see the URL.

Also yeah, naked lying from you.

robot,

im definitely naked

brain_in_a_box,

And lying.

robot,

true im clothed, im sorry sadness

brain_in_a_box,

Do better.

robot,

I’ll do my best rat-salute

brain_in_a_box,

👍

barrbaric,

Stop, stop, friendly fire!

forcequit,

hesitation-1

autismdragon,
@autismdragon@hexbear.net avatar

Lemmy was never yours to begin with but also where did we state this “goal”. Thats straight out of lemmy.world’s paranoid ramblings about us that have no basis in reality.

socsa,

I never said anything was mine. However the circlejerk shit should not be allowed to infest every discussion. It’s obnoxious. That’s my opinion.

Edit - there’s literally multiple threads on the front page of hexbear about “dunking on libs”

Ram_The_Manparts,
@Ram_The_Manparts@hexbear.net avatar

However the circlejerk shit should not be allowed

Let me guess:

You came here from reddit pretty recently, and every single political sub on your list over there was a western-centric circlejerk.

And now you are upset that your delicate western liberal sensibilities are no longer being pandered to.

Right?

autismdragon,
@autismdragon@hexbear.net avatar

Hey, yaknow what, I think we’re going a little hard on it too actually. Not necessarily with volume of posts. I think anyone can post as much as they want, there just happen to be a lot of us, we’re opinionated, and we were just let out of our cage, and some topics that we happen to have strong opinions on happened to be posted just in time for that, AND then someone posts something like this where they literally ask who we are and what we are doing. I think at the very least you can agree we have a right to respond to this right?

But with some of the aggression and things like pig poop balls. Yeah, I think we’ve probably gone a bit hard on it and I try to engage with a little more good faith.

But I’m still wondering where we stated this “Goal” you said we stated.

socsa,

These meta posts I personally don’t give a fuck. Stretch your legs, grab a drink, whatever. It’s every worldnews thread since federation which has been filled with literal pig shit, which apparently counts as “alternative opinions” or whatever helps you sleep.

autismdragon,
@autismdragon@hexbear.net avatar

The stated goal please.

socsa,

If you can’t see or won’t acknowledge the multiple threads talking about dunking on libs then this probably isn’t worth either of our time.

autismdragon,
@autismdragon@hexbear.net avatar

OK I went to the front page of hexbear > local and there’s only one thread that says “dunking on libs” and its someone being BORED of that and wanting to just chill. There’s a couple posts in our dunk tank using posts made in other instances as material which I dont think you should have a problem with because it focuses our energy THERE instead. And those were there before federation. The dunk tank is just for anywhere we find opinions we find laughable.

Honestly, the rest is stuff that I’d hope you’d be on board with as a thread, like being mad a black Chik-Fil-A worker was sent home for dying her hair blonde.

I won’t deny that my comrades enjoy “dunking” though. But like, what you said in your original post isn’t that. Its not us having a stated goal of wrecking your site or whatever. Its not a vast conspiracy. You said there was a stated goal and that just doesn’t exist. Is paranoia.

Rom,
@Rom@hexbear.net avatar

I’m not seeing the connection between dunking on libs and denying them a platform. If anything lib-dunking requires that they have a platform so we can continue to have new takes to dunk on.

ShimmeringKoi, (edited )
@ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net avatar

Their stated goal is to disrupt conversation to deny “shit libs” a platform.

Your evidence:

talking about dunking on libs

come on man

Rom,
@Rom@hexbear.net avatar

What threads? I’m looking at the Hexbear front page right now and the only thing I see is a user suggesting we don’t use PPB outside of Hexbear. Not a single post about lib-dunking.

lumpiangshawarma, (edited )

It’ll probably taper off in the next weeks or so.

Edit - Probably what’s most misunderstood is when the term liberal is applied. Not at all times they mean the Democratic Party and its supporters.

You don’t need to be a Big L - Liberal to uphold liberalism. Republicans can uphold liberalism. Tory supporters can uphold liberalism.

It’s an ideology tied to extreme individualism, reformism, those who can believe society will progress through individual action, devoid of any stances combating activism.

For ex: individuals who want women to be in the same position of power as men w/o questioning the oppressive nature of these positions of power that oppress women from the working class. Under liberalism: Thatcher, Melania Trump, Giorgia Meloni are Girlbosses. Does this ring true to anyone?

Liberalism as an ideology propagates the idea that if given “equal opportunities” in life, then it is up to people to grab those opportunities to have a better life.

But we understand that hard work is not enough because if so, then hired hands and workers should be rich by now, but they are not.

Because exploitation exists, oppressive systems in our society exist. That’s one of the many limits of liberalism as an ideology. it has no class analysis.

Liberalism depends on reformism to advance a society, but reformism is not enough. You see news about social democracies backsliding into fascist politicians. But these social democracies also rely on poorer countries for their raw resources for their welfare states to run(like gold and tantalum and Libya bombing thing). Until how long can we reform a broken government?

DictatrshipOfTheseus,

Good explanation.

Just last night I also found myself explaining the misunderstanding around the term “liberal” to someone else who was talking as though they thought we were using conservative talking points because we were using anti-liberal language. I would bet we’ll be seeing a lot of that now. Here was my attempt to clear up the misconception:

Just so it’s clear, OP isn’t drawing a distinction here between amerikkkan liberals and conservatives. A lot of times when leftists complain about liberals or liberalism, people who aren’t exposed to leftism will mistakenly take this to mean that we’re pro-conservative. We are NOT pro-conservative.

When we talk about liberals, we mean in the broader sense of people who subscribe to the philosophical tenants of liberalism, or in other words, people who think that capitalism is a good and/or natural thing. To us, conservatives are pretty much just a subset of liberals who have even more reactionary opinions about certain social issues than the standard liberal. This misunderstanding isn’t the fault of the people who misunderstand, mainstream media depicts all politics as being a binary battle between the dems and the GOP, a sport where two teams face off and that’s it. But in much of the world, “liberal” is actually synonymous with right wing and that’s how we use it. In the US, liberal tends to mean “left wing” but only because the overton window is so grotesquely far to the right, and anticapitalism isn’t even a consideration in US politics.

Forgive me if you already know all this, but because we’re seeing new people around here due to federation, I think it’s a good idea to point this out and avoid the possibility of conflating our utter contempt for liberalism with any sort of positive view of conservatism.

HellAwaits,

tankies trying to spread pro-Russian/Chinese propaganda.

forcequit,

jokerfied

Ram_The_Manparts,
@Ram_The_Manparts@hexbear.net avatar

Hello vaush

GaveUp, (edited )

downbear

autismdragon,
@autismdragon@hexbear.net avatar

Honestly? This is a marked improvement over claiming we’re bots. I’ll take it.

VILenin,
@VILenin@hexbear.net avatar

Everything I don’t agree with is Russian propaganda

Noughmad,

This, but unironically. Because the things I agree with are things that are true.

nohaybanda,

blob-no-thoughts

sovietknuckles,
@sovietknuckles@hexbear.net avatar

Yeah but calling it agitprop sounds cooler

CA0311,
@CA0311@hexbear.net avatar

my account is three years old and has 13 posts and 101 (i guess now 102) comments

as a bot, i am ashamed by my inefficiency

forcequit,

yes-honey-left

DornerFangirl,

Shitposting is our culture ❤️

NoGodsNoMasters,

I’m going to pretend this is being asked in good faith because even if it’s not, there are people who probably are asking it in good faith.

Anyway, Hexbear has become visible recently because we began federating recently. The instance is not less than a month old, it’s more than three years old, although it wasn’t tracked by Fediverse Observer due to running on a forked version which had split from mainline Lemmy when the instance was created, which is why my account and many others have creation dates stretching back a relatively long way. Three years of posting on an instance made to replace a banned subreddit which had a lot of users is a recipe for having a lot of posts (shocking I know). If it looks to you like many of us have no comment history (or at least no comment history before a week or two ago), that’s the result of some quirk of federation. When viewing the same profiles on Hexbear, their full often multi-year long history is visible.

StudioLE,

Why was the subreddit banned?

mustardman,

It was banned because thedonald was banned, to appease the right if you will.

But_Class_War, (edited )
@But_Class_War@midwest.social avatar

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    Starlet,
    @Starlet@hexbear.net avatar

    We were banned for supporting violence against 1790s Haitian slavers

    KillSlaveOwners,

    Hence the birth of my username

    silent_water,
    @silent_water@hexbear.net avatar

    reddit took “kill all slaveowners” as promoting violence. it started in a thread about John Brown so people were talking about history but the second people started catching bans, the userbase revolted.

    barrbaric,

    The ban was allegedly for “promoting hate”, but in reality it was just to quash such a large leftwing sub. It’s worth noting that they were only “promoting hate” against slaveowners, who are in my mind a completely fair target. When the sub was first quarantined, the mods made a series of posts over a week or so outlining their attempts to contact the admin team so that they could address the issues that had lead to said quarantining. The admins were non-communicative, and provided no real examples justifying the quarantine, nor possible actions the mods could take to undo the quarantine.

    supermangoman,

    Actually we’re paid bot shills for the CPC, not the CCP.

    ty, glhf, and all hail Xi

    silent_water,
    @silent_water@hexbear.net avatar

    neat little poem

    Farman,

    I tougth we were from the cccp and thats why oir checks are late.

    nohaybanda,

    ussr-cry I just miss them so much

    Awoo,

    We’re posters. We’re active.

    posting

    Honestly if reading views that are different to your own in posts that reach the federation /all/ page is a problem why leave reddit? One of the best things about this place is it NOT being a bubble of liberal-only thought where people jerk each other off all the time. Have conversations with us, realise that we have evidence for everything we say. I’m happy to chat to anyone.

    420blazeit69,

    We are also the fediverse’s finest purveyors of emojis

    fidel-cool party-cat surprised-pika kirby-spin picard-direct-action

    ennemi,

    please tell me all about these CCP talking points

    KiaKaha,

    How much time do you have?

    The_Grinch,

    Me as well. Just want to make sure I have them all.

    Commiejones,
    @Commiejones@hexbear.net avatar

    Yeah my Xi bucks and this quarters talking points were lost in the mail. If I want to get paid next quarter I need to have that list.

    420blazeit69,

    xi-lib-tears

    ThomasMuentzner,
    @ThomasMuentzner@hexbear.net avatar

    to much liberalism still … but were getting there ,…

    ZoomeristLeninist,
    @ZoomeristLeninist@hexbear.net avatar

    trump-moist folks, we have some great posters. many would say they are the best posters. they say “hexbear has the most posting power.” our posters are big and strong and powerful. you wouldnt believe some of the posts ive seen. incredible

    Farman,

    But are we wet and crunchy enough?

    chair,

    Yeah Idk what’s up with them either man I saw them in a cupboard making babies and one of the babies looked at me

    Alaskaball,
    @Alaskaball@hexbear.net avatar

    volcel-judge volcel-kamala

    NephewAlphaBravo,

    milkshake do-not-do-this

    ElChapoDeChapo,
    @ElChapoDeChapo@hexbear.net avatar

    sicko-yes The volcel police have no jurisdiction here

    unkn0wn,
    @unkn0wn@midwest.social avatar

    Honestly, federation with Hexbear has improved my Lemmy experience 1000%. I think it would be silly to defederate because a vocal minority of libs don’t like their worldview to be challenged. You can individually block the instance if you don’t appreciate the vibe.

    As far as I can tell they embrace leftist unity which is something we could all use more of.

    Ram_The_Manparts,
    @Ram_The_Manparts@hexbear.net avatar

    It’s almost as if you can be bothered to actually check out what we’re about, it turns out we’re not the stereotypical “tankies” that reddit vaushites keeps crying about lol

    Grownbravy,
    @Grownbravy@hexbear.net avatar

    Glad to hear you’re having fun

    jack,

    maduro-salute

    Commiejones,
    @Commiejones@hexbear.net avatar

    based-department

    context,
    @context@hexbear.net avatar

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    unkn0wn,
    @unkn0wn@midwest.social avatar

    Your emoji game is strong comrade.

    420blazeit69,

    fidel-freethrow Fidel-deke fidel-layup fidel-balling

    forcequit,

    they-were-comrades

    aaro,

    don’t forget the-democrat solidarity the-republican

    Sator_is_Tense,
    @Sator_is_Tense@hexbear.net avatar

    As far as I can tell they embrace leftist unity which is something we could all use more of.

    not to mention that a lot of well-meaning libs simply need to cross the mental barrier of “liberal bourgeois democracy = the end of history” to end up on our side. they recognize, on some level, many of the basic problems of capitalism but lack the analytical tools and deprogramming to effectively criticize it.

    if exposure to leftist views outside the mainstream gets someone, anyone, to realize that smugly whining about “tankies” on the computer does exactly 0 good for improving their own material conditions, I’d say we’ve done our part

    autismdragon,
    @autismdragon@hexbear.net avatar

    I always get really frustrated seeing the same places that hate cops openly and will outright say ACAB, and pro-queer and other good things, also spreading western propaganda about bad countries. Its like, man, if you could just get over this ONE hurdle.

    Commiejones,
    @Commiejones@hexbear.net avatar

    This is why we posting

    GaveUp,

    Easy to admit their country is shit. Harder to admit their country is worse than the Asians’

    420blazeit69,

    if you could just get over this ONE hurdle.

    This ONE WEIRD TRICK

    State Departments HATE HIM!

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