Always in some form of denial...

snek, 4 months ago

And media bias fact check be like:

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/2a226c68-6881-495b-abcb-56c0bb6ad6ec.png

lennybird, 4 months ago

MBFC is worth checking as a tool but nowhere remotely comprehensive. In their pursuit of neutrality, they often play Both Sides game and often only give a very shallow or dated investigation into outlets.

Newsguard was a decent one but they monetized it which made it useless.

snek, 4 months ago

Never heard of newsguard before, will check them out!

I’m looking for a reasonable source which could be made into a bot that crawls lemmy and adds the fact check and bias details to posts. That is what made me start reading into MBFC and I’m amazed at how crap they are… no experts on board, nothing really being used for “science”, mostly just based on the opinion of the founder… My partner tried to submit this ToI article for review on that site and basically there really isn’t a special form to fill for that and he had to email them instead. Let’s see if we hear back…

Viking_Hippie, 4 months ago

Tbf, MBFC itself is mostly the hobby of one right wing dude with a huge pro-Israel government bias.

Sure, some of the ratings are done by volunteers or paid freelancers (with no real transparency about who did what, of course), but it’s mostly just some guy named Dave pretending to be an authority on bias and credibility.

WaterSword, 4 months ago

I think a lot of these need to be updated after israel’s genocide. Times of Israel might have been credible and unbiased in their other reporting which I presume this data is based on., but now a clear nationalism/zionism is showing.

Viking_Hippie, 4 months ago

Times of Israel might have been credible and unbiased in their other reporting

Nope, they’ve always been extremely anti-Palestinian. People just didn’t notice because that was the default stance of almost all people with power and influence.

now a clear nationalism/zionism is showing.

Always has been 👨‍🚀🔫👨‍🚀

maynarkh, 4 months ago

Authoritarian governments have this strategy of cultivating honest news outlets with good journalism in “peacetime”, so they can peddle bullshit from the high horse when they need it. Same thing happens in Hungary. These guys definitely do exchange ideas.

Milk_Sheikh, 4 months ago

See also: New York Times

sharkfucker420, 4 months ago (edited 3 months ago)

Dawg tbh New York times never should have been trusted considering it is owned by Jeff bezos

I am mistaken

reagansrottencorpse, 4 months ago

I thought he owned the Washington Post, he bought the ny times too?

sharkfucker420, 3 months ago

My bad

PhlubbaDubba, 4 months ago

It’s a similar issue with Al Jazeera, they’re otherwise a renown publication known for their rigorous reporting standards, until the subject is about Qatar, and especially the Qatari royal family

lennybird, 4 months ago

I lost a lot of respect for them when they tried to pin the hospital bombing on Israel and not Hamas despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary. I’m firmly opposed to what Israel is doing but that shit doesn’t help.

Shyfer, 4 months ago

What evidence? I’m pretty sure the evidence Israel gave was debunked, wasn’t it?

lennybird, 4 months ago

Debunked by whom? I saw both accounts and then saw reputable outlets make corrections and the reports were corroborated by western intelligence. The Al Jazeera debunk video was incredibly amateur in my view.

Shyfer, 4 months ago

It might be that Al Jazeera one you were talking about. Not sure, I’d have to go looking for it, you might be right. I don’t super trust western intelligence, though, considering that they’re on Israel’s side.

PP_BOY_, 4 months ago

need to be updated after israel’s genocide.

Are you implying that these haven’t been updated since 1948?

sharkfucker420, 4 months ago

There is no such thing as unbiased media

Cruxifux, 3 months ago

Ah yes, that famous leftist regime, Israel

Linkerbaan, 4 months ago

That’s gonna be a HIGH CREDIBILITY mbfc score from me dawg

eestileib, 4 months ago

Blah blah.

He’s still sending them weapons, begging Congress to send more, and supporting them with intelligence and logistics.

This statement was probably cleared with Netanyahu’s administration before he said it.

lennybird, 4 months ago

Been saying this for a while now but there are more parallels between Israel and Russia than many care to admit.

• Right-wing nationalist leaders in power for decades
• The use of denial and gaslighting and justification for civilian collateral damage
• News outlet propaganda.
• Creeping territorial annexation
• Exploitation of a boogienan to rally support and justify said annexation.

Lojcs, 4 months ago

This is just the authoritarianism starter pack

LinkOpensChest_wav, 4 months ago

I used to think Times of Israel did a decent job of reporting, but every time I see it posted now, I just know it’s going to be some absolutely batshit nationalist propaganda