Thoughts on Lemmy sorting options?

Hello all,

Wanted to open a discussion on Lemmy's post sorting options right now. I don't have any experience with implementing this type of thing but right now the algorithm appears... Off? For example, 'Active' gives me a lot of posts over a day old but 'Hot' may as well be 'New' i.e. more recent posts with little engagement.

I don't know if it's due to Lemmy still picking up steam or a fundamental flaw with the algorithm. Like I said, I'm really curious to hear the opinions of those more knowledgeable.

meltylikecheese,

I've been doing top of today.

smoke_bird,

Sorting by new comments gives posts with no comments! Pretty big annoyance for me tbh.

troyunrau,
@troyunrau@lemmy.ca avatar

I use "Top Day" and seem to be quite happy with it.

duncesplayed,

Thanks for the suggestion! This works much better!

overlordror,

I just switched to this and it seems to be what I expect from 'Hot'. Hot seems to include popular posts from weeks to months ago and that's just not the definition of hot, really.

s900mhz,

Nobody said it’s hot AND fresh

matthieu_xyz,
@matthieu_xyz@piaille.fr avatar

@programming
@WatTyler
There is a demo of an algorithmic timeline thingy for mastodon at https://fedifeed.herokuapp.com/ and I really really like how it has a bunch of sliders for fine-tuning. The time penalty in particular is very important.

Would be absolutely awesome to have the same on lemmy.

Edit: Lemmy doesn’t show my picture...

https://static.piaille.fr/media_attachments/files/110/542/349/085/964/483/original/23daedec7cd17277.png

Master,
@Master@lemmy.world avatar

Something feels wrong but I normally just browsed "best" on reddit and that was a curated list of top subs. So it's weird to me to sort Lemmy by "Hot" and get a ton of posts from random communities with no upvotes or replies. Which they are obviously not HOT as no one has engaged with them except the OP.

I feel like something is "off" with the way it is curating things.

finder585,

My biggest issue is that posts stream in regardless of the sorting option you have picked. So, even if I am sorting by 'hot' posts I'll get a stream of posts that where made less than a minute ago.

GnomeKat,

Absolutely my biggest annoyance as well.

EthicalAI,

I want to make 100% sure that in “Hot” you don’t just see big communities. I want to always see that one post from that one community with 1 user right at the top. So they should weight by community size.

EthicalAI,

They need mark as read too. I keep seeing the same stuff.

Schteee,

If it helps, there's a "Show Read Posts" toggle in your account settings- I believe "Read" is based on having ⬆️ / ⬇️ed the post.

EthicalAI,

Nice! Thanks

Comrat,

A lot of the discussion around sorting specifics makes me wonder if a plugin-like system for user created sorting algorithms would be useful.

It could allow you to curate your own feed in a way, based on age, activity, filters, basically any post metadata. The algorithms could be shared or maybe even federated through lemmy itself. I have a suspicion this would be closer to "neat" than "worth it" though. This is really just a brain dump of a random idea.

S_H_K,

Yeah it would be the best thing. Hopefully the new blood brings someone knowledgeable that can implement good ideas. IDK as a refugee I feel like the fediverse has so much potential.

problematicconsumer,
@problematicconsumer@lemmy.world avatar

I have the same issue, would love to engage more but sorted feed is either same through out day or bloated

danc4498,

Reddit's top hourly was one of my favorite ways to browse. They need to implement that here. Just show me the top posts from the last hour.

treadful,
@treadful@lemmy.zip avatar

You can do Top Day with Lemmy now. Maybe not enough content yet for hourly.

danc4498,

There's always enough content for top hourly. Top hourly is not enough

RobotDeathSquad,

I'm not sure about the algos, but I'd kill if it would at least remember my choices between page refreshes.

isildun,

Although it's a little less convenient than just remembering across refreshes, you can set a default sort in your profile if there's a particular sort you like.

That being said I find myself hopping between Top Day and Hot so I can only start on one or the other. Would be nice if it just remembered.

EthicalAI,

Remembering “subscribed” instead of “local” would be nice too.

WarlordSdocy,

So far hot has worked pretty well for me. Haven't really ran into the issues you mentioned with posts not having that many interactions near the top of hot, unless it's from a smaller community. My main problem I've had is when opening Lemmy after a bit or refreshing I'll get the same posts over again even if they're marked as read which is annoying and usually means I end up sorting by new. Would be nice if there was an option to hide already read posts. (Or if there already is one I'd be very interested in knowing where it is, also I use Jerboa mainly on Android so not sure if that changes anything either.)

spaduf,
@spaduf@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Definitely an option on jerboa I think it's towards the bottom of settings.

WarlordSdocy,

Just found it! Wasn't in the settings menu I was expecting, was under the options for my account, but I found it. Thanks for letting me know about it!

Variden3301,

And it automatically shows posts added to the top makes using it a little bit janky

TheAmorphous,

Can someone explain why if I choose All/Hot the first page will look "normal" for a bit, but then it starts updating/scrolling constantly? Like I can't keep my place, new items are continuously being added and I can't even finish reading a headline. I don't see any settings to prevent that. What am I doing wrong?

EthicalAI,

I think this is a feature done horribly wrong

ipkpjersi,

I think it's a UI bug.

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