hynek, 3 months ago

@jamescooke I have to stress that I wasn’t criticizing JUST the VC part. The problem with Ruff is the COMBINATION of an unfair 💴 advantage that was used to appropriate years of community work without giving back & that is leading to those that got appropriated are abandoning their projects. Which is a problem once Astral ourincrediblejourneys.

Packaging is a different beast b/c the desired end state is nothing to be just re-implemented in Rust. It doesn’t exist—so go & 🔥 that VC 💴

jamescooke, 3 months ago

@hynek Thanks for clarifying 🙏🏻

I’m really confused by this thing in general - am going to go and write a blog post about a missing £0.0001 we had at work this week to feel better. 😊

hynek, 3 months ago

@jamescooke (although tbh they haven’t done more than reimplementing pip, pip-tools, & venv so far – but I have no reason to not believe them they’re gonna take it further)

jamescooke, 3 months ago

@hynek Yes I think they’ll take it further - especially since they’re taking over Rye.

I would expect some kind of rustup equivalent which can install Python interpreters is in the works.

hynek, 3 months ago

@jamescooke Rye did that from day one and Hatch does it too now.

jamescooke, 3 months ago

@hynek Exactly - the need will be to provide one written in rust that’s 1000x faster given that’s the USP right?! 🤔

jamescooke, 3 months ago

Are the business users who’ve used the #Python language and ecosystem for free for decades, now going to turn around and pay for Astral’s tools because they’re 1000x faster?

If "yes" - then I would ask "why didn’t you contribute to the PSF to make Python faster in the past?"

If "no" - then what’s the future of this new VC ecosystem?

It’s all very confusing. I need to go back under my data rock and have a rest. 😔

hugovk, 3 months ago

@jamescooke Are Astral planning on charging for tools? They've not said much on their business model, but it's around selling services, not tools:

"In the future, we’ll build and sell services on top of our tools — but the tools themselves will remain free and open-source.

" Our plan is to provide paid services that are better and easier to use than the alternatives by integrating our open-source offerings directly."

https://astral.sh/blog/announcing-astral-the-company-behind-ruff#whats-next

jamescooke, 3 months ago

@hugovk Thanks - I missed that bit 🙏🏻

So that’s a "no" to business users paying for Astral’s tools, because they’ll remain free.

But the services Astral will offer will be "better and easier" than the alternatives, which I guess includes just using the free tools they offer? 🤷🏻

I still remain confused. My strategy is "wait and see".

hugovk, 3 months ago

@jamescooke Maybe something like https://mastodon.social/@mistersql/111946547254482931 but I think too much speculation is unhelpful, and more clarity from Astral would help.

jamescooke, 3 months ago

@hugovk Thanks for that link. 🙏🏻

I completely agree that speculation is unhelpful. I’m sure that the uncertainty is what’s causing my confusion.

I’ve retooted the toot mainly for myself to look back on later.