offset___cyan,
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People talking about "AI rights" are genuinely deranged. Deranged in the sense they are literally psychotic, they are believing nonsensical things, they are mad.

You have to consider yourself, an organic human, a human being, as more than just your composite parts, or you start to speak of bizarre and dangerous ideas. Functionalism, computationalism, physicalism, hard determinism all lead to insanity.

Sam Altman (CEO at OpenAI) believes it's okay for you to go extinct so his computer program can live. This is not how a healthy mind thinks.

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  • offset___cyan,
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    @yeti they might think the same, but they are markedly not the same. They are clearly the sum of their composite parts, they are compound phenomena, the expression of bits and bytes and (hopefully) memristors. It doesn't matter what they think because we know they are not, and we should account for that in AI research, development and deployment.

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    @yeti @offset___cyan Maybe that's what it takes to finally end human particularism

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    @yeti @offset___cyan I wanted to say that, perhaps, a contact with a sufficiently alien intelligence will make differences between human groups less noticeable (to humans). "Particularism" isn't quite the word for the latter, I guess.

    But to your point, it might be so, but I think there's much we don't know. Of the "space of possible intelligences", we know just:

    • our minds,
    • animal minds which have not yet diverged from optimizing inclusive genetic fitness,
    • and perhaps evolution itself as a competing optimization process.
      Only the latter is a geniunely alien creative force known to us.

    So, I'm just thinking what, in principle, can be there. What kinds of minds, lifeforms... And, particularly, what kind of intelligent species and intelligences that have different substrate than ours.

    While covergent evolution is a thing, I'd prefer more than N=1 to infer that our condition is representative of the general condition of evolved minds in the universe. And even if it is, evolved minds that have passed the Great Filter (if it exists) might be very different from ours.

    Otherwise it's reminiscent of assuming that all stars are roughly the size of Sun.

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    @yeti yes, and it's necessary for our survival. It's that or that we're imbued with metaphysical being (a soul, a not-soul, etc) that the machines don't have, and it makes us unique. Either way, necessary.

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  • offset___cyan,
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    @yeti I'm not "looping around it", I'm saying it explicitly. Being organic and born from a series of organic beings makes me superior to any robot, any inorganic machine. They are not imbued with life in the sense that living organic beings are. That is axiomatic.

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