AGuyAcrossTheInternet,

Oh neat, this knowledge will now passively motivate me so hard to act normal that it's gonna flag me every time!

RagingNerdoholic,

I thought cops already had a system for that called “driving while black.”

Magnus,

Wait so if you drive like a crazy person after a few beers and a good ol’smash up with the lads then you are suddenly a criminal?

nzodd,

I do my best driving after a few beers.

Granted, that’s mostly because I have a much easier time hitting pedestrians when I’m sober.

nieceandtows, (edited )

Wake me when the AI can identify people who are going to commit crimes before they commit the crimes.

Edit: it’s a precog reference from Minority Report, btw.

rammer,
@rammer@sopuli.xyz avatar

Better wake up then. Because they are using such systems in the US and they are used to harass innocent people.

Magnus,

Why would you need to be woken up if you have no intent of committing a crime?

nzodd,

Poor guy needs an alarm clock or something.

lemillionsocks,
@lemillionsocks@beehaw.org avatar

Wonder how long before these things start automatically mailing you a ticket because they calculated your speed between camera stops and determined you were going 3-5mph over the limit on the highway and if the “well it was used to catch a criminal” crowd will be as accepting of this technology then

Xkdrxodrixkr,

The section control technology youre refering to is already being used in some countries, and they ofcourse automatically send you your speeding tickets. 3-5 mph would only be a marginal fine tho, if there even would be a fine at all. I dont understand though how that would be any different from normal speed checks, except for the fact that it might be more accurate.

jmp242,

The problem in the US is they can’t give moving violations without someone there to testify. Usually that’s the officer. If the officer doesn’t show up, the ticket is tossed. I’m not really sure why they can give redlight tickets (unclear if that held up or not), but some of it had to do with if it was something that affected your license, or was a “violation” instead of a crime like a parking ticket.

teawrecks,

I mean, they can’t prove a sufficiently large gravitational wave didn’t hit you between the two checkpoints, causing you to travel through space relatively quickly.

I_like_cats,

Great! Automated discrimination against the poor

ram,

How long before we find out it always flags certain makes and models as criminals?

SenorBolsa,
@SenorBolsa@beehaw.org avatar

it will just hand out random DUIs to RAM owners based on statistics and reckless driving tickets to black altimas with tinted windows and bedazzled plate frames.

Marsupial,
@Marsupial@quokk.au avatar

That would be great.

Imagine an AI that’s morally blind, pulling over expensive cars because the owners are more likely to break traffic laws knowing they can afford the fine.

ram,

Or an AI that’s pulling over cheap and old cars because the owners are more likely to get ticketed due to living in over-policed neighbourhoods.

ErwinLottemann,

do 'the poor' all drive really bad?

MyTurtleSwimsUpsideDown, (edited )

Not that I’m aware of.
But we know the criminal justice system currently has biases. If the data the “AI” is trained on was affected by these biases, or others that we don’t realize, then it will produce biased results.

Lowbird,

One of the worst parts about all this to me is that the AI and the dataset used to trained it are kept secret as proprietary information, and the police and governments buy it anyway despite that nobody can even try to check the code or dataset to see what biases or errors it might have (and definitely does).

lemillionsocks,
@lemillionsocks@beehaw.org avatar

We’ve already got numerous examples of how these ai models and face recognition models tend to have biases or are fed data that accidentally has a racial bias. Its not a stretch of the imagination to see how this can go wrong.

scrubbles,
@scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech avatar

Yep, the age old “garbage in garbage out”. If we had a perfect track record we could just send in all the cop data, but we know for a fact the poor and PoC are stopped more than others. You send that into AI it will learn those same biases

boonhet,

No, but they’re disproportionately affected by fines. For rich people a fine is just the cost of a privilege.

Exception being something like Finnish speeding fines which are income dependent.

snooggums,
snooggums avatar

No, but any automated system can be used to punish people who cannot afford to fight it.

mrmanager, (edited )
@mrmanager@lemmy.today avatar

Well to be fair, this is because of the stupid justice system in the US.

Just the term “afford to fight for it” is something that never should exist in a civilized society.

Lowbird,

I agree, but can we not with the r word?

mrmanager,
@mrmanager@lemmy.today avatar

Yes I can edit it, didn’t mean to offend.

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