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Overzeetop, in Reddit is telling protesting mods their communities ‘will not’ stay private
Overzeetop avatar

I’ll say it every time: it’s their platform, their servers, their choice. However, we owe them nothing. If they want to go it alone, we need to let them. Let them hire paid moderators and we should delete our content so they have to create their own.

We built the communities there, we can do it again elsewhere. We have the expertise and the desire.

wslagoon,

we should delete our content so they have to create their own.

Any content that users have posted to reddit became theirs with the TOS you had to agree to first. They've already undeleted user submitted content deleted as part of the protests. I agree it's time to cut them loose and move on, but you won't be able to retroactively stop them from profiting off the content they already have.

Banzai51,
@Banzai51@midwest.social avatar

That doesn’t revoke our editorial rights. I still have it, I’m using it.

soundasleep,
soundasleep avatar

I didn't realise how messed up it'd become til I checked the latest user agreement:

You also agree that we may remove metadata associated with Your Content, and you irrevocably waive any claims and assertions of moral rights or attribution with respect to Your Content.

i.e. whatever you post, we can completely remove your name, do whatever we want with it, make you say whatever we want, claim you eat dead puppies, etc.

I don't know HOW that can be legal. That's certainly NOT the user agreement I signed when I joined (2018 version). At the least it should not apply to content made before June 2023. (ianal)

dismalnow,
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True. We can make them pay to develop a solution to sift and present it coherently.

If they undelete threaded content, they have to undelete the context. If the go full minimax solution and undelete everything.. they have caused serious problems.

Endorkend,
Endorkend avatar

A TOS doesn't supersede actual LAW.

Manticore,

There seems some confusion over its legality though, and people talking about reporting it to attorney generals etc. But that protection if private information: the information that they put on a public platform, agree to display publicly, to strangers; that's not private information at all.

You may as well say that people on the street have no right to observe that you walked into the McDonald's next to them, and you will report them for stalking. It's not merely unenforceable, it makes you look foolish to even threaten that it is.

I wouldn't put much past Hoffman or his admins at this point, but what people are suggesting as malice is extremely unlikely. The idea that Hoffman has commanded the few admin staff he's decided to keep on staff to go through arbitrary users to restore an arbitrary number of comments is farfetched.

It's far more likely that comments are from locked subs becoming visible again, and/or that the sheer server load from so many users making requests to delete/edit their content is leading to 503 errors, or database writing issues. Reddit code is basically one long string of spaghetti at this point.

Raeyin,

I live where the laws are less helpful. EU and California have the helpful ones. But as a non-resident, my understanding is that the law allows full removal of personal info. Deleting posts would be selective removal and doesn't have the "and I live in the right place" question.

embecile,

If you read the TOS, no, the content does not become Reddit’s. The user retains all ownership rights, but grants Reddit a very broad license to use the content. There’s another section that allows users to delete their content (which is consistent with them retaining ownership rights, although of course this doesn’t mean Reddit loses its license to use/copy the content).

This distinction is important—what Reddit is doing here is not taking the content and copying it and reposting it from its own Reddit accounts, it’s putting it back under the user’s original account. Under the TOS, they do have a license to use, distribute, etc. the user’s content. They are not required to give credit to the original poster if they do so. But this does not mean they’re allowed to put content back under someone’s name/account/original comment, thereby attributing that content to the user, after the user has deleted it.

I don’t know all the details of their TOS, just what I’ve read from it. And I have no idea if anyone is going to sue them or anything, or even whether a suit could be successful.

But as far as whether you give your content to Reddit, you don’t, you just give them a license to use it. If you want, you can read down to #5 and see the part I’m referring to. Reddit Terms and Conditions. I think the other part about being able to delete your content is in there somewhere as well.

Nanokindled,

I mean, sort of? They do technically own the servers and the code, but all of the content and moderation was provided by users. The idea that this should be a unilateral decision by the company is like saying that Fiverr and UpWork freelancers should not have a say in how those platforms are run. Strictly, narrowly, letter of the law as written, it's true. But it completely ignores where both the revenue and the value for those platforms actually comes from.

It's their decision...but arguably it shouldn't be. And that's also an important aspect of this conversation.

nhgeek,

Well said!

patchw3rk,
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Added to @BestOf!

GreenPlasticSushiGrass,
GreenPlasticSushiGrass avatar

Thanks, I hadn't subscribed to that magazine yet.

user36481,

There are reports they are undeleting content. The only option is to stop participating.

Banzai51,
@Banzai51@midwest.social avatar

Most of that was from subs coming back online. You can only delete visible content. I’ve been going back every few days and deleting the stuff that came back online.

tinwhiskers,
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I've just been sorting my comments by highest score and replacing a dozen or so each day with something like "-> fediverse". So far none have been restored. Most of the lower scored comments don't have value to anyone anyway so I'm just ordering by most impact until I get bored.

Not participating isn't the only choice.

On days I'm feeling particularly petty I go into discussions and vote down the good comments and vote up the bad ones just to make the signal to noise ratio worse. Yes, I'm that petty.

mrbubblesort,
mrbubblesort avatar

Maybe you don't mind doing it manually, but you can automate it too (at least until the api goes down)

https://github.com/j0be/PowerDeleteSuite

redballooon,

That will come automatically once my 3rd party app doesn't work any more. Hopefully some Lemmy apps will be available in the App Store soon. The website on mobile is quite suboptimal.

tanglisha,

I'd be ok with it if it would stop reloading and shifting things around while I'm reading.

1993_toyota_camry,
@1993_toyota_camry@beehaw.org avatar

That fix is coming very soon, once we upgrade to 0.18.x

tanglisha,

I'm so happy to hear that! Thank you <3

Overzeetop,
Overzeetop avatar

While there may be cases of actual restoration of deleted content, I've been purging daily since about 5 days post-blackout on my (220k karma) main account, and the "restored" content I'm having to clean up is, afaict, exclusively from single subs at this point, some of which I know have switched their privacy/blackout status between purges.

I think this is incompetence and gross negligence, not intentional misconduct. So far.

TheLastOfHisName,
@TheLastOfHisName@beehaw.org avatar

Engagement is what drives social media. Upvotes, likes, page views, searches are the fuel for their algorithms. (Or at least that's what it seems to me.)

mrbubblesort,
mrbubblesort avatar

For what it's worth, I used Power Suite Delete to replace everything in my 14 year account with a deleted message, haven't seen anything get reverted yet.

Endorkend,
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  • RiikkaTheIcePrincess,
    RiikkaTheIcePrincess avatar

    "The person that spread that?" Are you being serious? That's happened to a lot of people. It's happened to me repeatedly. In fact I'm right now yet again deleting a bunch of posts that stayed deleted for days and are mysteriously back again.

    RickRussell_CA,
    RickRussell_CA avatar

    Yeah, that previous explanation makes no sense -- the YT guy who recorded his entire session was deleting the same stuff over and over again.

    Raeyin,

    That sounds like a server error.

    Don't get me wrong. I have no doubt that Reddit has decided to go to war with any unhappy users. I have zero respect left.

    Out of self-respect, I will still try to understand whether something is a bug or deliberate.

    Mothra,
    @Mothra@mander.xyz avatar

    Yep, I got a similar case to yours.

    static,
    static avatar

    Reddit chose to be non profitable in order to kill off all internet forums.

    It's reddit that's changing the terms, not mods acting up.

    BrooklynMan, (edited ) in Do You Think There Would Have Been a Large Protest if Steve Huffman Just Said We're Charging to Use the API to Increase Revenue?
    @BrooklynMan@lemmy.ml avatar

    The app devs, including Selig, often, said they were perfectly fine and found it quite reasonable that Reddit wanted to charge for API access-- they even looked forward to it because the y believed it would. open up access to previously walled-off parts of the API such as chat, polls, and other features only available in the native app and the website. This was public info, and users also looked forward to this.

    The problem came with both he outrageous pricing and the absurd 30-day timeframe. Then, further with spez's refusal to be flexible by listening to the reasonable complaints of the devs, slanderous accusations against Selig, profound and entitled disrespect towards the mods, and shitshow parade which started with his mind-boggling AMA and then continuing by taking interviews with any news agency that would talk to him, further spreading the lies, slander, disrespect, and disinformation-- ending by praising the king turd of tech: Elon Musk.

    THAT is what provoked the outrage, protests, and overall "uprising". THAT is what is killing Reddit.

    keeb420,

    yeah. the protest was small but reddits response has been great and has lead to where we are at today. like you said it wasnt really the pricing but how reddit went about it and afterwards. hell if he had announced that their intention was to kill off third party apps but was more transparent about it and wasnt acting like an elon musk there might not have been any protest at all.

    arquebus_x,

    Once Selig announced that he could not keep Apollo going after June 30, I was done with Reddit. That was days before Huffman said anything publicly - even before the AMA in which he pasted prefab answers to 14 questions.

    themadcodger,
    themadcodger avatar

    Same. Different app, but it was the same day. Once I realized my app would die, reddit was dead to me. I came to kbin a bit earlier than others but it was super dead in the beginning.

    therealpygon,

    I'm strongly of the opinion that instead of killing Apollo, Selig should featureflag most of the features, scale it back, implement ActivityPub quickly and a guided process to get started. Just killing Apollo gives Spez exactly what he wants, especially with the amount of algorithm rigging they are doing to block ActivityPub/Lemmy/Kbin info from making it into Top and Popular.

    techno156,

    Spez is going to get what he wants either way, really. He just wants third-party app activity gone from Reddit, and Apollo moving over to ActivtyPub is just more of the same, even if the app itself is around.

    Personally, I think that dropping Apollo might make more sense. It was designed as a Reddit Reader, so instead of cramming new app functionality into it, it would make sense to just split it off into its own app.

    A lot of ActivityPub/Lemmy/Kbin features are natively supported, so he wouldn't need to keep paying for things like Imgur API access, unlike with Reddit where third-party image hosting is the only way to do image hosting, without using the official app.

    Plus, after the recent shenanigans from everything, he probably deserves a break, for a while, at least.

    deirdresm,

    FWIW, I don't think it's spez who's asking for that; he's simply the conveyor of the message.

    I'm pretty sure this is a finance constraint imposed by underwriters/financers of the IPO, who want to see all the revenue with reddit and not with third parties. (I also think Twitter's similar move was at the behest of $ people since Elon borrowed money to buy the company.)

    curiosityLynx, in Twitter's new TikTok copycat is filled with animal cruelty videos. Elon calls content "Edgy"

    Musk is a proponent of near-absolute free speech

    Anything goes, so long as it doesn't hurt his feelings personally

    Skyler,
    Skyler avatar

    People are also not allowed to say the word "cisgender” over there

    FloatingAlong,
    FloatingAlong avatar

    Woah dude, cool it with the c-bombs.

    FedericoSchonborn,
    @FedericoSchonborn@beehaw.org avatar

    It's okay, I gave them a c-word pass.

    I_am_10_squirrels,

    Some of my friends are c-words, so I can use it

    taanegl,

    Freedom, by Musk... a cologne that's actually mace with directions to the local old folks home and instructions on how to use InShot.

    pizza_rolls,
    pizza_rolls avatar

    Or when an authoritarian government asks him to block literally anything

    GunnarRunnar,

    Kinda far from absolute imo.

    curiosityLynx,

    I would claim actual free speech absolutists don't exist.

    GunnarRunnar,

    You're probably since those that preach about free speech are politically driven, hence biased to protect their stance. Rest of us have realized speech isn't free of consequence and the last third just doesn't give a fuck.

    admiralteal,

    Defamation, fraud, hate speech, harassment, collusion, confidentiality, incitement...

    No reasonable person actually thinks that free speech is an unlimited right. Plenty of kinds of speech are viewed as too harmful to be legal. The right is well understood to be about political speech only, and even then the edge cases can be hard to pin.

    Anyone who claims to be an absolutist on free speech is insane or absolutely full of shit.

    50gp,

    you forgot the most important one: being negative against musk/spez/freeSpeechAdmin123/insert any other free speech absolutist authority figure here

    NopeNotToday,

    The original advocates of free speech weren't defending their right to say slurs. They were defending people's right to speak against government figures (people in control) without fear of retribution. "Free speech absolutists" today fight for the exact opposite.

    Traumkaempfer,

    Didn’t he also give in to block a few accounts of political opponents in Turkey instead of risking being banned there completely, because he said it would be better to lose a few accounts instead of losing the whole country?

    jiml78,

    Or things like cisgender. Those words need to be banned? Dude is an 8 yeah old tool

    someguy3, (edited ) in Do You Think There Would Have Been a Large Protest if Steve Huffman Just Said We're Charging to Use the API to Increase Revenue?

    What this is really about and people are just starting to realize is: the interests of the shareholders and CEO who want to get rich is not compatible with a volunteer created, volunteer run, and volunteer modded site. People aren't eager to do unpaid work just so the CEO can get rich. This API stuff is just exposing it.

    mer_mer,

    The weird thing is that they ARE compatible. They could have charged slightly more per user than they make on the official app and everything would have been fine. This move reduced shareholder value and user value.

    NeoSniper,

    Why not slightly less? That would make more sense to me.

    MagicShel,

    A user on a third party app isn't as valuable to the company. They miss out of all the valuable spying and tracking they can do by installing their own software on your phone. Plus just the presence of this party apps means you can't demands extra permissions on your own app and tell users to deal or suck it (in nice PR speak). So it makes sense to charge TP apps more for reducing the "value" of a given user.

    Charging less is basically subsidizing third party apps out of your own pocket - which was exactly the complaint in the first place. Although it would've been better to gradually ramp up prices to less-subsidized and eventually to a profitable partnership.

    usualsuspect191,

    The counter-argument is that the users that gravitate towards those apps are less valuable anyways (we were the first to jump ship for e.g.) so a discounted rate just to keep them around and contributing/adding value for the "whales" on the official app.

    maskapony,

    Reddit makes $350m a year in advertising revenue, it is in theory a fantastically successful business that could make plenty of profit for its shareholders.

    The problem is solely down to them raising more and more capital the latest at a $10B valuation. Because of this they need to increase the revenue even further to try and justify the inflated valuation and that is what has led to the latest situation.

    MxM111,
    MxM111 avatar

    I am sure they could use less drastic ways to rise revenue, clearly without spreading lies about Apollo creator and alienating moderators. There is a right way and a wrong way to do things. And than there is very wrong, Reddit way to do things.

    kingthrillgore,
    kingthrillgore avatar

    What really told me that reddit was squandering its revenue sources was when they shuttered redditgifts two years ago. Maybe there were issues behind the scenes, but they had commissions from the storefront and from elves, and something reddit has never been particularly good at: Good publicity. And instead of figuring out how to make it profitable, they just killed it.

    They didn't even bother to answer questions why.

    It was at that moment I knew the current leadership was rudderless, and now everyone's finally come around to it.

    someguy3, (edited )

    A slight profit is compatible, I think we all get that you can't run at a loss. But it's no longer "look at this neat thing we can do with everyone". They're not building goodwill with the unpaid creators and mods. Everything they've said and done is oozing with "Get back to work you unpaid peasant! We need to IPO and get rich!" They've shown nothing but disdain towards users, mods, and developers.

    Tyrannosauralisk,

    The other thing is that they've just handled things so incredibly badly. Limited communication largely directed at third-party media sites, erratic rules changes and enforcement, doubling down with heavy-handed admin actions.

    I think that even beyond a need for profit they lost sight of why they have substantial value in the first place. The majority of their value came from their community which made "the front page of the internet" a pretty honest claim. Their software isn't worth billions, but the front page of the internet sure is. They should have had a substantial community engagement department specifically to kiss ass and build relationships with mods (and users via AMAs) so that open lines of communication existed - and they probably should have taken control over key things like inserting an employee as top mod of the top 50 subs (make it standard practice for hitting top 50, offer cool extra services like a visit to HQ and such for the mods so its like they "win" rather than "reddit seizes control" even if that's what it is).

    Instead they stayed way too hands-off and basically treated their community as an afterthought. The poor communication made me feel disrespected as a user, so I can only imagine what its like for the mods who put far more time and effort in and are in the direct line of fire of erratic admin actions. I mean, this isn't even hard. Just make a vague corporate statement that you're "very sorry" about all the "confusion" and you'll be "putting changes on hold an re-evaluating while you work with various parties to come up with solutions". You make some token concessions and then do 80% of what you were gonna do anyway, 1-2 months later. Its dishonest and shitty but it's not rocket science to take some of the fuel away from the fire. Like, do they even have a PR department or... did they completely forget that the community even mattered?

    EnglishMobster,
    EnglishMobster avatar

    If Reddit has an employee on staff as a mod that can approve posts, then they lose safe harbor protections. Anything that mod approves is considered representative of Reddit, giving them editorial control and causing them to be handled more strictly. https://caselaw.findlaw.com/court/us-9th-circuit/1856011.html

    Further, if Reddit gave bonuses to mods, then mods would be considered unpaid employees. Any kind of "swag" or quid pro quo for being a mod of a big subreddit increases the chances that those moderators will be considered unpaid employees by the Department of Labor. AOL famously got in big trouble for giving free/discounted internet access to their volunteer moderators. https://casetext.com/case/hallissey-v-america-online-inc-sdny-2002 (Settled in 2009 for $15 million in back pay.)

    Combining the two is terrible news for Reddit and would make their business model absolutely unsustainable. Every mod would be an employee and every post would be representative of Reddit as a company. If a mod approves a link to copyrighted material, then Reddit could be sued.

    SilentStorms, in Technology Connections talks about a red fridge from Walmart for an hour

    I’ve loved Technology Connections ever since I saw his riveting hour long video on dishwashing detergent. I don’t even have a dishwasher.

    starcrossed_hero,

    This is exactly the video that first got me started on the channel as well. It randomly came up in my YouTube feed and I let it play... then have since watched dozens of these fascinating, boring, videos.

    MeowdyPardner,
    MeowdyPardner avatar

    That video has become required watching material / hazing ritual for new roommates. Mostly for the detailed explanation on the importance of pre-wash soap, but also for the tips on preheating the water.

    GiantBasil,

    Same, I ate that video up. Dishwashers are a rich people commodity in my country.

    SlovenianSocket,
    @SlovenianSocket@lemmy.ca avatar

    That video of his solved all my woes of using my dishwasher lmao

    Awesomejt,

    I used to think dishwashers were kinda rubbish before I watched his video and learned how they actually work and the best way to use them. I recommend that video to lots of people now. Great channel.

    sik0fewl,

    I switched to powder detergent and found mine doesn't work as well with it... I don't know why.

    jernej__s,

    @Awesomejt @TechConnectify @Rentlar @SilentStorms A few years ago there was a thread on Twitter that basically came down to: either you have a Bosch dishwasher, or you need to study how to properly fill it if you want clean dishes.

    eltimablo,

    He became one of my favorites after he got me to enjoy a half-hour video on storm lanterns. Dude has some serious charisma and really good investigative skills.

    JWBananas,
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  • TechConnectify,
    @TechConnectify@mas.to avatar

    @JWBananas @Rentlar @SilentStorms sooo... the follow-up had a very specific point. Many people were getting a residue after trying powder detergent, and I wanted to help with that.

    My main issue with detergent pods isn't so much that they're wasteful, per se, but that they cost a lot more for, potentially, worse results.

    Many dozens of people continue to tell me that trying powder detergent both saved money and made their dishwasher work better. I stand by that.

    throwmeinthekbin, (edited )
    throwmeinthekbin avatar

    He walks among us mere mortals.

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  • TechConnectify,
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    @JWBananas @Rentlar @SilentStorms I fundamentally disagree with the idea that it's misleading.

    I wanted to show that the pre-wash cycle is /important/ - that having detergent in the first rinse actually accomplishes something.

    The main thrust of that video was that detergent packs skip that first step, and what I wanted to show was the value of that first step. If you had a dishwasher that worked fine with pods, there would be no reason to change your habits - and I explicitly said as much

    TechConnectify,
    @TechConnectify@mas.to avatar

    @JWBananas

    And truthfully, what I messed up in the first video was not getting into the nuance of water hardness and detergent amounts.

    People who follow the directions on powder to "fill cups completely" are going to be in for a rough time if they have soft water. I didn't get into that, so people started using powder, used too much, and had worse results.

    So I went further, showed how you can actually get away with very little detergent, which imo is yet another reason to prefer powder.

    TechConnectify,
    @TechConnectify@mas.to avatar

    @JWBananas So yeah, honestly I feel like you're missing most of the context in those videos.

    I never said pacs don't work - I said that I suspect they've led to a lot of dishwasher dissatisfaction, made an argument as to why, and backed that up with a demo of the pre-wash and how, with no detergent in there, more stuff was left on the plates. That then was the starting point for the main wash cycle, and I figured that difference would speak for itself.

    If it didn't, then /that/ was my mistake

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  • TechConnectify,
    @TechConnectify@mas.to avatar

    @JWBananas @Rentlar @SilentStorms ask and you shall receive, but maybe next time untag me first

    grapemane,

    @TechConnectify I like your content, and I like you personally, and I’ve subscribed. Please continue spamming me.

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  • TechConnectify,
    @TechConnectify@mas.to avatar

    @JWBananas ah, I see that now. Genuinely, my mistake for making that assumption. Somehow this convo ended up in my notifications and it's still happening - and indeed, that's weird.

    Hobovision,
    Hobovision avatar

    Dude what the hell? You posted publicly in a public comment thread and are mad when the person you're talking about responded? You know this could happen on reddit too right? Creators are people too, you absolute dick.

    macracanthorhynchus,

    Ignore that jerk. You’re great, and your detergent videos explained, in exhaustive detail, (as all of your videos do, because that’s literally the whole shtick,) the nuance and context that you were aiming for. Anyone who missed that just wasn’t paying attention.

    Also your snarkiness in your videos is amazing and never stop being you.

    Zagorath,
    @Zagorath@aussie.zone avatar

    The other guy is totally unnecessarily being a dick, but is perhaps touching upon a good point.

    The prewash stage might have a more effective result if some detergent is put in, but there’s no actual value in that if a full main wash without pre-wash detergent results in a completely clean load of dishes.

    Zamboniman,
    @Zamboniman@lemmy.ca avatar

    TIL the Technology Connections guy is on Lemmy via Mastadon.

    And that’s awesome!

    Coeus,

    I’m glad you made it to the fediverse.

    fedosyndicate,
    fedosyndicate avatar

    I'm pretty sure he was on Mastodon way before the migration! Alec was one of the first few federated accounts I looked for once I got the word we were all moving.

    Coeus,

    Nice!

    Rentlar,

    @TechConnectify I'm glad you found my Beehaw thread about your video, even if it's just to defend your dishwasher video from someone talking smack. Thanks, and feel free to lmk if my post title doesn't do your video justice (though overall it seems well-received on Lemmy).

    AVincentInSpace,

    question.

    It seems you have replied to, and carried on a reply chain with (meaning that presumably notifications went both ways), a user on Kbin from your Mastodon account.

    How on earth do you do that?

    atocci,
    atocci avatar

    I'm probably a bit late to reply, but... He was @ mentioned in the body of the original post, which Mastodon would have notified him of because mas.to is federating. Opening the notification would bring him to this thread on Mastodon, where everything would appear as it normally does when viewing a thread on Mastodon. From there, you can hold a conversation as normal with notifications and all. Unless you were looking at instance URLs, you probably wouldn't even notice the user you're replying to isn't on Mastodon themselves.

    Beauty of federation! It (mostly) just works!

    jiji,
    jiji avatar

    I watched that video (twice) before ever owning a dishwasher. I bought a house this year which has one, and if I hadn’t watched his video I would have continued hand washing, believing it to be better! I live by myself so it does feel silly having to wait days before I have enough of a load, but he’s right even that days-old stuff comes off fine.

    Taijk,
    @Taijk@feddit.nl avatar

    Yes, No way i knew that i needed to know all that info on detergent :P

    Kichae,

    It changed the way I wash my dishes

    JDPoZ,
    JDPoZ avatar

    Same. Love this guy. His video about how those roll-around "portable" HVAC units being hot garbage made me both upset I had ever used one, and also excited about the future of heat pumps... then he started doing more videos on heat pumps!

    Kichae,

    He definitely didn't make me upset for having a portable AC unit. It's... not power efficient, but it does keep my house cool enough to work in on the worst days.

    He did sell me on heat pumps, though. I'm hoping to have one installed this fall, which will remove my need for that big luggin' AC unit entirely and totally get my house off of oil.

    FaceDeer,
    FaceDeer avatar

    He actually might be wrong about the efficiency of the single-duct models, too. I read a counterargument that they actually work more efficiently than the dual-duct kind due to the fact that they're dumping heat into cooler indoor air to vent rather than trying to further heat up already-hot outdoor air. True, it causes some outdoor air to come inside in the process, but you're going to want some degree of air exchange anyway.

    The newer systems for rating the efficacy of these units may ultimately account for all this. They basically make a mockup of a standard room and hot outdoor space, run the unit in it for a period of time, and then measure how much electricity was used to cool the interior by X degrees. Ultimately that's all that really matters - how much electricity gets turned into how much of a drop in indoor temperature.

    Umbrias,

    To be fair to portable AC, they are inefficient but functional, and you can improve their efficiency with a variety of methods such as insulating the tubes.

    Spzi, in Reddit communities adopt alternative forms of protest as the company threats action on moderators
    • Some of the biggest communities like r/pics, r/aww, and r/GIF decided to post John Oliver pictures and GIFs. In a tweet, Oliver approved this move.
    • In the case of r/aww, the community is also allowed to post pictures of Chiijohn.
    • r/iPhone decided to post pictures celebrating “dashing” Tim Cook.
    • r/Shitposting banned posts with the letter k.
    • r/Wellthatsucks is now a subreddit about vacuum cleaners.
    • r/Nofans is now a passive PC cooler subreddit.
    • r/Interestingasfuck removed a lot of all rules apart from asking members to not break site-wide rules.
    • r/Memes is allowing only Medieval / Landed Gentry memes. This is in response to Huffman’s “Landed Gentry” comment about protesting subreddits.
    • r/PokemonGo is now allowing pictures of John Oliver, Pikachu, or Spark.
    • r/Horny is now a “Christian Minecraft server.”
    • r/Steam members are posting about actual steam.
    • r/HarryPotter is now referring to Huffman as Voldemort.
    • Some subreddits such as r/Showerthoughts are determining close days for the community.

    Glorious.

    Helldiver_M,
    Helldiver_M avatar

    /r/Piracy also celebrated the fact that reddit officially endorsed them.

    Bero,
    Bero avatar

    and r/GIF
    r/gifs not r/gif

    GoatTnder,

    /r/woodworking is debating going back to normal, or posting pictures of Norm Abrams and Nick Offerman. I'll let you guess which one is winning.

    Valmond,

    What a bowl of fresh air.

    YolkBrushWork402,
    YolkBrushWork402 avatar

    Absolutely amazing, what other subreddits are thinking to follow suite?

    Wahots,
    @Wahots@pawb.social avatar

    Bread stapled to trees is only going to allow four subjects moving forward on certain weeks, one of which is John Oliver, another being literal garbage, lol.

    EvilColeslaw,
    EvilColeslaw avatar

    One of the legal advice subs -- I can't remember which -- was going forward requiring post approval from mods because they value community safety. But as they are unpaid volunteers they estimate it could take up to 14 days for post approval.

    raccoona_nongrata,
    @raccoona_nongrata@beehaw.org avatar

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  • duncesplayed, (edited )

    The only thing that could have made it better would be if they added a "Moderators need to work much more slowly now due to having to use the official reddit app's terrible UI"

    el-sapo,

    I think that was /r/scams. Their post was fantastic

    omnilynx,

    Oh man. I wouldn't want to anger a bunch of people who make it a hobby to fight scammers in a social psychology arms race.

    bruzie,
    @bruzie@lemmy.nz avatar

    r/formula1 is reopening as NSFW to "comply to the fullest extent of our abilities with these changes":

    Formula 1 is inherently dangerous. Crashes and injuries are not uncommon - some even with fatal results. These incidents are discussed on r/formula1, and videos, images and other media are posted following these events.

    Formula 1 includes messaging and sponsors that are connected to alcohol, tobacco and gambling - all of which are legislatively prohibited or age restricted in various locations. We cannot prevent these from being displayed to underaged users, as they are incorporated in general Formula 1 imagery and content.

    Formula 1 is known for, both in the past and today, to include certain risque imagery that fall within the NSFW space.

    Reddit’s User Agreement states that “Children under the age of 13 are not allowed to create an Account or otherwise use the Services.” - As such it stands to reason that persons under legal age participate in r/formula1.

    Switching our classification means Reddit’s age verification shields underage users from being exposed to content considered harmful.

    xavier666,

    Brilliant! Simply brilliant!

    Elegast,
    @Elegast@lemm.ee avatar

    That's absolutely fantastic lmao

    Jaluvshuskies,
    Jaluvshuskies avatar

    Absolutely fucking glorious!

    It makes me so happy seeing reddit come together against this bullshit

    Sendbeer,

    Shitposting is funny because the auto mod they are using to remove posts cites removing the post in order to save bandwidth for Reddit. The auto mod post is much longer than post being removed and contains K's. I found it funny anyway.

    Killer_Tree,

    Thank you for the rundown! It almost makes me want to go back and take a look at the shit show... But tis a silly place and I shant be going back.

    sisyphean,
    @sisyphean@programming.dev avatar

    Trust me, the shit show is glorious. I even instinctively upvoted a couple of medieval memes but quickly realized what I was doing and closed the tab.

    StringTheory,

    I did, it was glorious!

    cpoc,

    THAT'S what a rundown is!

    jjjm182,

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  • SwingingKoala,
    @SwingingKoala@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

    I feel you, but in the end it's just garbage content to piss off reddit admins and execs. Personally, I'd rather get quality content from the fediverse now, but I can understand that some people want to burn that other place down.

    MagicShel,

    It feels empowering to be part of a pissed off collective.

    SwingingKoala,
    @SwingingKoala@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

    Thank you, nice compilation

    Track_Shovel,

    r/Wellthatsucks is now a subreddit about vacuum cleaners.

    fucking lmao.

    LaggyKar,

    r/Nofans is now a passive PC cooler subreddit.

    That should be a nice complement to r/onlyfans

    dan,
    @dan@upvote.au avatar

    ...I'm afraid to ask what "nofans" used to be. I hadn't heard of it before.

    CTaiger,

    Don't be afraid. Nofans - short for - No onlyfans - meaning content of normal women not out to make money (there was a version for couples too)
    Maybe someone should bring it back here somewhere.

    Let's be real if you want to gain popularity for your R****t alternative you just need porn and such (if you seperate the paid kind from the free link stuff you are golden and will grow fast sadly my knowledge on how to create such a place are limited in the programming department.

    Echostorm,
    Echostorm avatar

    I need this, faith in humanity has been at a low ebb

    mack123,

    It is like watching a slow train wreck. You know you should just look away, but you just cannot.

    dm_me_your_secrets,
    dm_me_your_secrets avatar

    I'd like to know more about the "determining close days" for some subreddits. Won't they just open them back up?

    I love to see the malicious compliance.

    NRVulture,
    NRVulture avatar

    Some subs like r/fuckcars will be doing “touch grass Tuesday”, where the sub will be restricted every Tuesday.

    I think r/HarryPotter is still polling the same idea. Which gets me wonder what if most of the popular subs decided to do this.

    OtakuAltair, in The excellent Arc browser is now available for anyone to download

    anyone

    Lol, it’s just on mac. No windows version or even plans for a Linux one. Not that I’d use another chromium fork.

    RoboRay,
    RoboRay avatar

    As a non-Mac user, I'm not even sure if "Mac-only" or "yet-another Chromium fork" makes it less interesting.

    MyTurtleSwimsUpsideDown,

    Tbf, it says download, not use.

    plactagonic, in GMail is Breaking Email

    For anyone interested: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrGfahzt-4Q

    This gets little in depth on this issues.

    flip, in GMail is Breaking Email

    And this is how you kill an open standard. Good resource to share with people cheering for Meta to adapt ActivityPub etc.

    loving_kindness, in Mastodon thinks Lemmy’s privacy stinks. What say you?

    Anything put on the internet is forever. No one should be publicly posting anything with the expectation that they have any control of it after it goes out. If it’s not held by the server, there’s the way back machine or even just folks taking screenshots.

    ipkpjersi,

    This is generally true, but at the same time, the Internet archive doesn't archive every single page ever.

    LewsTherinTelescope,
    LewsTherinTelescope avatar

    There's a difference between "there's no way to guarantee total privacy" and "the system is designed to guarantee no privacy", though. Even the best of us fuck up and say something they shouldn't on occasion, and plenty of people online were never given proper lessons or are too young to understand how serious revealing information is.

    Maxcoffee,
    Maxcoffee avatar

    Exactly, when you put it out there it's out there on every single platform there is. It doesn't matter if you "delete it", the moment you share it you have lost control over it entirely.

    For the same reasons I never understood why people post on Facebook with their own full name and life story out there in the open either.

    knotthatone,

    I completely agree. I just don't see how there can be any realistic expectation of privacy when publishing something publicly.

    I appreciate the idea of laws establishing a right to be forgotten and I think there's still some value in being able to take your data away from certain companies, but there's no guarantee it wasn't copied many times before the original location is taken down.

    The Fediverse works like email. Once somebody hits send, there's no real way to claw that back.

    scrubbles,
    @scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech avatar

    Whether is Lemmy, federated, corporate owned, or even your own private site - nothing you put on the internet is ever truly private. If you have a public profile someone can access it and copy it.

    The only things I'll say that I have an expectation of privacy is health related, everything else I fully expect someone else to read, copy, and multiply.

    I think there should be, but I never expect there to be. Did people's parents not teach them about putting things on the internet they didn't want shared?

    DreamerOfImprobableDreams,
    DreamerOfImprobableDreams avatar

    Did people's parents not teach them about putting things on the internet they didn't want shared?

    They used to, then social media became a thing and they stopped. Suddenly, it was normal to put your entire life up online for other people to see, and if you didn't feel comfortable doing that you were the weird one.

    My rule is, never post anything you wouldn't mind the media tracing back to you IRL and then making the top story of the day in your country. Because, while rare, that does occasionally happen!

    KingPyrox,
    KingPyrox avatar

    Probably because it became very profitable to let everyone do that 😔

    QuestioningEspecialy,
    QuestioningEspecialy avatar

    My rule is, never post anything you wouldn't mind the media tracing back to you IRL and then making the top story of the day in your country.

    So don't live, basically.
    Or you can just maintain anonymity as best as you reasonably can and hope no one goes out of their way to identify you or the account(s). Making a new account after awhile is a safe practice. The goal is to decrease the likelihood of undesirable things, not make them impossible.

    Sabzhero,

    Odd response, you can still “live” without documenting your activities. Were people not living pre-Facebook/Instagram?

    QuestioningEspecialy,
    QuestioningEspecialy avatar

    ...Are we talking posting things anonymously or posting things with your irl name and photo?

    couragethecowardlydog,

    True but you should still be able to delete your account and your comments and username leave the service. Online privacy isn't about completely disappearing, but making yourself so hard to track the average person won't bother digging.

    QuestioningEspecialy,
    QuestioningEspecialy avatar

    Which in turn decreases the likelihood of something happening. Like locking a door.
    The saying "If somebody wants to get in they will." is a terrible one when left as is.

    loving_kindness,

    Great points

    Tyson712,

    I mean yes but it's still bad practice to keep deleted content. It'll be a bad look to people interested in switching to lemmy and more people is really what it needs right now

    cwagner,

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  • GiantBasil,

    The internet is forever, except that one thing you really want to find from years ago. That's the rule.

    Eufalconimorph,

    It's the Internet Corrolary to Murphy's Law: your embarrassing posts will be available online forever, but any useful information you want to find later will have been deleted when you next look for it.

    dan, (edited ) in The Reddit Blackout Is Breaking Reddit

    If it wasn't hurting them they wouldn't be doing damage control.

    It's working, keep it up.

    lixus98,
    lixus98 avatar

    I'm so glad that me deleting my account made them mad, I'm so glad it hurt them

    CarolinaBlues,
    dan,

    Thanks I've been trying to fill in those claims with links so this one is great :)

    heartlessevil,

    It's seriously hilarious that the "damage control" has been more damaging than the blackout itself

    Alfredo_Boyardee,

    There’s a term for that. The Streisand Effect, I think.

    themadcodger,
    themadcodger avatar

    That's in the same vein as "it's not the crime it's the cover-up"

    the_robomafia,

    Definitely I would have gone back if not for the complete and total disrespect spez has shown towards the community

    bionicjoey,

    Honestly I think every time spez says something stupid it convinces another wave of Redditors to check out Lemmy

    Silviecat44,

    I would have checked out Tildes as well if it wasn’t invite only

    loops,

    *Opens jacket

    "Hey kid, you want some invites?"

    Powderhorn,
    @Powderhorn@beehaw.org avatar

    The exit didn't start with the API announcement, just gained steam. What's truly baffling is that Reddit seems to want data on where users' final straw is.

    hoshikarakitaridia,

    Who knew the best "celebrity" endorsement for the fediverse comes from the CEO of Reddit...

    dan,

    Haha yeah well I didn't say they were doing a good job of it!

    Magnergy,

    "Damaging, controlling" behavior.

    darkmugglet,

    Ironically, if Reddit has been up front and said they were killing third party apps, and kept their mouths shut they would have faired better. For a stupid play like this, speaking only makes it worse. This is going to be taught in business school on how to kill a business.

    TechyDad,

    They could have even gotten third party apps to pay for API access. They just needed to set a fair rate and a workable timeline for the change.

    Instead, they said "we're charging $20 million starting next month. Good luck trying to stay afloat with those sudden costs!"

    Reddit could have increased their profits and kept users/moderators happy, but they chose Burn It All Down instead.

    loops,

    BIAD.

    I like it.

    ericjmorey,

    Either way, I'd be preferring alternatives. On desktop, old.reddit.com plus RES (which is not entirely clear if they will be effected, though it looks like it will not be), but the mobile experience is not good on a mobile browser and I really don't like the official app. Without RiF, I would not be participating much even without a direct alternative.

    TechyDad,

    I don't usually fault companies for messing up if they own up to their mistakes and make it right. Everyone is going to make mistakes and things will go wrong at times. It's how a company handles events when everything goes sideways that shows whether they are good or bad.

    In Reddit's case, they could have acknowledged that their API plans were too aggressive and overpriced. They could have paused any API pricing changes and worked with third party developers to come to a solution where Reddit is paid, but third party developers don't have to shut down due to immediate and insanely high costs being demanded. Everyone could have walked away benefiting and Reddit's reputation (in my eyes) would have been intact. I'd likely be posting there right now instead of here on Lemmy.

    Instead, Reddit decided to double and triple down. Their CEO decided to accuse the developer of Apollo of threatening Reddit and, when phone call audio proved this was a lie, blamed the developer for "leaking personal phone calls." Then, that same CEO claimed that the API was never meant for third party apps (ignoring and trying to rewrite history) and said that any moderators who kept their subreddits blacked out would be replaced. All while claiming that the moderators should rest easy because Reddit would definitely provide tool themselves to replace lost third party tools despite no sign of this happening and trust being totally shattered. (And so much more that I'm not including because this comment is too long already.)

    So Reddit messing up? That could have been forgiven had they done the right thing afterwards. But now, after completely botching the response? I hope Reddit withers away to nothing and the CEO's IPO dreams die on the vine.

    Bobbinapples,

    They wouldn't be posting propaganda notices on new reddit's homepage

    I want to know more about this, i haven't heard of this yet.

    dan,

    This appears at the top of the page until you dismiss it (at least for me): https://i.imgur.com/Uo3t2TI.jpg

    Here’s what it links to: https://mods.reddithelp.com/hc/en-us/articles/16693988535309

    Yesterday they were linking to some much more blatant propaganda, here's the link: https://www.redditinc.com/blog/apifacts

    CaCtUs2003,

    I got a bunch of that propaganda the other day even when signing in on old.reddit.

    QHC,
    QHC avatar

    I like how it says their "updated" API rate limits but doesn't mention when those rules went into effect or how much warning they gave developers.

    Spoiler: the answers are "very recently" and "not even a month".

    redcalcium,

    I haven't been to Reddit for a few days and they did these stuff already? Let's keep this up.

    lunacybooth,

    They wouldn't be lying about trying to work with devs

    Its fascinating watching him keep digging. He bullshits, gets caught out, so he bullshits about a different dev. Rinse. Repeat.

    FrostBolt, in Reddit Threatens to Remove Moderators From Subreddits Continuing Apollo-Related Blackouts
    FrostBolt avatar

    They can’t keep their story straight. First the protest is “noise” that will “blow over”. Now they’re forcing subs to re-open.

    Look, even if the protest “fails”, they stick to the API pricing, and forcefully re-open subs, some things will be obvious and for everyone to see that weren’t before:

    • spez is lying and isn’t trustworthy
    • reddit cares more about IPO positioning and money than the health of the community
    • people are willing to explore alternatives like this fediverse
    RandomStickman,
    RandomStickman avatar

    Also "97% of users doesn't use a 3rd party app" but also "the opportunity cost" is very high. Which one is it?

    AnonymousLlama,
    AnonymousLlama avatar

    They're probably just upset that /all is a graveyard of "Reddit is killing third party apps". That's gotta look embarrassing for them

    I'm pretty happy with how many subreddits are continuing to go dark, or the ones who are actively helping their users transition to other platforms.

    Bipta,

    I'm glad that smart people not participating in the ongoing protest are using Reddit wisely, to shame Reddit.