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athos77, 5 months ago

So, question: they're obviously doing this to try to avoid being sued for the data breach. But they ToS aren't retroactive, right? So someone could agree to arbitration but still sue them?

systemglitch, 5 months ago

That’s my understanding, but people are ignorant and will comply more often than not.

em2, 5 months ago

Heads up that it’s not the correct email they link when you email them to not agree to their new TOS.

https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/74bf4d62-d121-4dd9-b6a3-53dd9c3ce799.jpeg

Source thread: lemmy.world/post/9207489

gedaliyah, 5 months ago

Wow, this just gets sketchier and sketchier. Thanks for sharing!

aelwero, 5 months ago

We need laws addressing shit like “if you don’t say no in 30 days, we’ll take it as a yes”…

If you can get convicted of rape for assuming silence to be consent, then why the fuck does shit like this pass muster?

DarkMessiah, 5 months ago

Rapists generally don’t have millions of dollars to buy politicians with.

aelwero, 5 months ago

Not wrong, but it’s a shitty answer. Not shitty on your part, you’re just calling it what it is, no problem with that at all, but that’s bullshit…

puppy, 5 months ago

If it’s not shitty on the commentor’s part amd they are telling the truth (telling like it is), then how come the answer’s shitty?

Nurse_Robot, 5 months ago

I bet you can figure this one out, all the pieces are there

gian, 5 months ago

We need laws addressing shit like “if you don’t say no in 30 days, we’ll take it as a yes”…

If someone do not answer, then what ? Like it could be wrong to assume a “yes” it could be wrong to assume a “no”. The assumption is that those that had something against, which they hope will be the minority, will answer while the others don’t care.

bob_lemon, 5 months ago

The default is very obviously “no”.

If someone does not agree to the new terms, they did not agree to the new terms.

I can’t send you a new set of terms for reading my comments and just assume you forfeit your firstborn child to me if you don’t answer within 10 minutes.

gedaliyah, 5 months ago

I’m guessing there’s some kind of terminology in the original agreement that says something like we reserve the right to change this agreement at any time and you agree to be notified of any changes by the email address on your file.

Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer

gian, 5 months ago

The default is very obviously “no”.

Fine by me, I am not arguing that the default must be “yes”, but that you need a default.

If someone does not agree to the new terms, they did not agree to the new terms.

True. Problem is that from a company point of view, it is better to handle the (supposed) few exceptions that the (supposed) overwhelming normality, that why this questions are posed this way: you simply pose the question in a way that you minimize your work.

I can’t send you a new set of terms for reading my comments and just assume you forfeit your firstborn child to me if you don’t answer within 10 minutes.

A little excessive as example, but on the other hand I can argue that if you not put a time limit on these type of changes or decisions, I can simply say today that your 10 years old wedding is invalid because I have some reason to challenge your 10 years old marriage publications. (To explain, in Italy if you want to marry you need to put an announce, usually for a couple of weeks, on a public space, normally the town hall building, to let people who has some valid reasons to challenge it)

Also, normally in Italy a change in the agreed terms has only two options: you accept the new terms (even by silent consent) or the agreement is no more valid and it is dissolved without any penalties if present, so what 23andMe is trying to do is formally correct. But a big dick move.