I kinda understand it, because iMessage is completely irrelevant outside the US. It still sucks, bacuse more choice and less lock in is always better for consumers.
It’s strange to me that the differences are so vast between different continents.
I know litteraly no one who actually uses iMessage. Never once (in recent years) seen some communicate through a channel that isn’t WhatsApp, Signal or something similar. The whole “ew, green bubbles” drama just isn’t a thing here. (Though the existence of iPhone users still harms society in different ways)
Though I do agree with many commenters that the EU caving to the lobbyists is a bad thing. Having the law only apply to “problems that are big enough to care about” is still a loss for the consumer in the end. I’m all for standardisation and free choice, which means any commercial messaging service should comply. Exceptions only for open source projects funded by non-profit organisations.
Oh cock off. My home network has seven windows machines and three Linux machines. I love iOS because I fuck around with computers all day, I’m not into fucking around with my phone. I want a secure device that lasts a long time, stays extremely fast, and requires no fucking. My five year old iPhone matches all of this perfectly.
Most of my mates who are in tech have iPhones as well. It’s not that niche. It’s a great, fast phone with one-click incremental encrypted image backups so if something fucks up, you’re given a new one and in minutes it’s the exact same phone as the dead one, with zero fucking around.
I don’t use google products or services, so if I had an Android phone I’d have to fuck around with de-Googling and custom ROMs and all that, which I’m not willing to do.
Apple’s whole modern “it’s reliable and just works” cult following exists because they found a fix for situations where the problem was between keyboard and chair.
Both Windows and Linux-based operating systems are plenty reliable if you actually know what you’re doing and you know how things work. Apple started a culture where you don’t need to know how things work because you have no influence over your own devices. Which lets people do the simple tasks without adressing the problem that your userbase will not amass any computing knowledge whatsoever.
And when Apple devices do fail (and trust me, they do), they fail catastrophically without a way to fix the problem yourself (which is by design).
The distinction is larger for computers than it is for mobile devices, but yeah in general Apple devices are for simpletons. But the biggest issue is that Apple’s design philosophy actively creates these simpletons.
Airdrop is the “blue bubble” thing where I am. When we’re traveling to poor signal areas (hiking, scuba diving, etc) the iPhone folks share the pictures they took with Airdrop. The Android folks just need to wait for it in whatsapp. And until recently, those pics in whatsapp are compressed to heck.
Android also has “airdrop”. It’s called “nearby share”. Works weekly l exactly the same way so there’s no need to WhatsApp it. You can share it right there with all android users.
Look on your phone settings. There’s also going to be a nearby share quick toggle if you want to turn it on and off manually.
Also press “share” on a photo and nearby share will be an option. Press it and try it out and learn it.
I’m not saying the feature doesn’t exist. I’m just saying that is what happening around me. Even though our community doesn’t use imessage, Android is still the red haired stepchild.
The article says that Apple is still planning on making iMessage compatible with RCS, but isn’t Apple’s incentive gone if there’s no longer any EU pressure? How likely is it that Apple will cancel their RCS plans?
There’s still plenty of EU pressure. This was a close enough thing that the EU spent months investigating it before making a decision.
That sends a pretty clear message to Apple “we’re OK with what you’re doing with messaging right now, but only just barely”. If Apple does something the EU doesn’t like, new legislation can be written.
There’s also pressure in the USA and other countries where iMessage is far more widely used. The pressure hasn’t gone anywhere yet, but it definitely could. The USA came down hard on Ma Bell when they dominated the phone industry. They’re so dead most people have forgotten they existed. They were arguably the biggest company in the entire world at the time. Just like Apple is now.
Part of the order against Ma Bell was to order the company to stop selling phones. Imagine if the USA did that again, with Apple this time. I listened to an interview with an antitrust regulator in the USA yesterday (Decoder podcast)… he said they’re short staffed and rely on punitive damages so harsh that other companies choose voluntary compliance, removing the need to actually regulate the whole industry (they don’t have enough people to do that). Pretty scary stuff - the EU’s approach is far gentler.
“we’re OK with what you’re doing with messaging right now, but only just barely”. If Apple does something the EU doesn’t like, new legislation can be written.
Because of the “only just barely” part, new legislation might not even be necessary.
If Apple only narrowly avoided falling under the core platform definition, just a change in market share might be enough for that to change under the existing rules.
Proprietary messaging is worse though. Email is interoperable and relevant as ever. Just nobody bothered to seamlessly apply PGP for encryption (probably spy agencies actively worked against that too).
Imagine secure apps being forced to give some parts of their users data to proprietary apps. Besides its too tricky to implement, like every app would be forced to use the same protocol as the proprietary app (specifically in messaging)
Such a stupid law. People can already use open services like matrix but they don’t because they don’t give a fuck. Now we force services to open up… Why? People have a choice already. As much as i hate facebook this is kinda nuts
Network effects. The law lets me not install Facebook Messenger just to chat with my mom and Whatsapp just to chat with my some random corporate account, and instead use whatever messenger I want to chat with both of them. I wouldn’t have a choice otherwise.
It’s a great law, IMHO. It keeps monopolistic companies from gatekeeping services essential to modern life.
This choice is just in theory. Like Cory Doctorow said, you and your close friend circle cannot agree where to eat launch today, how the heck are you going to agree on which chat app to switch to? I got my choice and deleted Facebook, no looking back, but guess what? I missed A LOT of information from my collage including many meetings.
With this law, people would no longer need to bother any of their friends to install anything, they could start switching one by one to what they like.
iMessage really is just mostly used in the US, like Japan with Line. Most countries around the world don’t use any SMS(or adjacent) services for chatting. So its not really a priority when people barely use it. Unlike the AppStore where every Apple user is forced to use it anyway
To be honest I don’t know anyone in Europe using iMessages. We are using Viber, WhatsApp, Messenger, Signal, Telegram, Threema, etc. and none of those options are iOS or Android exclusive.
iMessage is a typical American thing which, we Europeans, have a really hard time comprehending what is the obsession with it.
And we also have a much bigger Android market share, so it would be stupid for iOS users to use some messaging app, that would be iOS exclusive.
here in the US in my situation it boils down to my parents/grandparents not being able to understand the difference between any texting application. I'm fine using SMS/iMessage because I know everyone has it. I'd say the vast majority of non-technologically savvy people I know are incapable or unsure how to use the basic functions of their phone (very few people I know in this category use their phone for anything else but calls, texts, and the web browser; everything else is just unused for either lack of understanding or lack of interest).
The US never moved past SMS for instant messaging. iMessage extends SMS seamlessly (to iOS users).
Honestly i tried using different apps with different people groups and ended up dumping all of those apps over time since they 1) sucked battery and 2) weren’t that great and 3) were either ad-supported or were free with questions on what they company was doing to stay afloat.
iMessage solves all of these issues without needing to explain anything. Occasionally i will laugh when i see granny (liked this message) knowing she uses android and had to type that out but whatever.
Occasionally i will laugh when i see granny (liked this message) knowing she uses android and had to type that out but whatever.
Actually, that’s just another example of Apple’s shittiness. When you see that, that’s not someone typing it out, that’s when an Android user uses a reaction on our side.
Which should speak volumes to you, iOS was perfectly capable of understanding what an Android phone sent, but instead of simply matching it to an applicable iOS reaction (Or even just defaulting to a thumbs up or whatever), it just…does that.
The funny part is that on the Android side when an iOS/iMessage user a reaction it does exactly what you’d expect, it matches it to the applicable Android reaction lmao
I think it’s some kind of flex they like about blue or green bubbles. Somehow they are just behind on tech in the common man’s world. I remember when the world was on smartphon/cool gadgety phones pre first iphone, I was in America and most people still used black and white simple phones. They thought it was cool if some phone model had a few extra ringtones…
iMessage is a typical American thing which, we Europeans, have a really hard time comprehending what is the obsession with it.
To help you comprehend - the big difference is SMS has been free for a long long time in the USA. No other text messaging service has ever been able to get off the ground because why on earth would anyone sign up for Viber / WatsApp / Messenger / Signal / Telegram / Threema / etc, when you could just use SMS which works fine and works for everyone?
Then iMessage came along, and you could keep using “SMS”, only now it’s more reliable, has high resolution photos, delivery confirmation, etc. That was a real improvement over SMS, with no cost at all other than having to stay on the iPhone platform, which you were already on, and who’s going to switch? You’ve got all these apps you found/like and who knows which ones work on Android?
Also, it’s not just the USA. iMessage is big in other markets too. Also ones where SMS has historically been free. The cost of having to pay to send SMS between London/Paris is a pain we never really experienced here, so there was no motivation to try WhatsApp/etc.
The EU made a law this way specifically to only affect the biggest gatekeepers, so that megacorps can’t use it to further entrench their own monopolies. Nobody gives a fuck about iMessage in the EU.
You joke, but Matrix has been working on protocol design specifically for the Digital Markets Act. If iMessage were to be ruled subject to the DMA, it might mean Apple having to interoperate with (a future version of) Matrix.
It is only a suggestion. Like, if a gatekeeper wants to actually become open and adopt a protocol here we are showing you the path. But Apple is not like that, they would do absolute minimum and propably even less.
From practice - performance of clients and of servers too.
From emotion - it uses Web technologies.
From some logic maybe - if they are doing something new, then why not distributed architecture like Tox (at least identities not tied to servers), and if they choose something architecturally similar to XMPP, why not use XMPP.
However, emotion again, I really like Matrix APIs, these are definitely designed to be used by anyone at all.
It means it’s a robust well-tested protocol (referring to HTTP)
XMPP by now is no less well-tested.
Average company firewall: Allow 80 Allow 443 Allow 53 to <internal DNS server> Deny to any
Average company firewall shouldn’t allow 80 and 443 to outside anyway.
Anyway, that could have been a fallback, it’s the only way instead.
Doing an IM over TCP I can understand. VoIP signalling over TCP is not serious.
What’s the better solution?
Look at Retroshare. In this particular regard (not its whole model of security, which is seemingly not good, but I’m not a specialist) it does things right, I think.
Yeah it has a lot of problems, but all the things you listed are the least of it.
And which are not in your opinion?
Still better than anything else.
Still not better than XMPP, so factually wrong. =)
how are they supposed to keep up with microsoft with an open messaging standard? can’t miss out on being the most valuable company with a market cap at more than 3 trillion dollars…
As if Play Store + App Store duopoly was not enough of a headacke for everyday living, now I would need to explain myself of not using iMessage or Google Messages.
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