no, they're gonna expand the Shogun feudal universe ..... lol. as the season of Shogun advanced, I was charmed by it's beauty and production value, but less so in the story it was hiding. in the end the entire series was about a battle never fought, which was bad enough as a tease, but in reality the battle of sekigahara was fought in reality with sides changing allegiences during the battle, which would have made for a satisfying ending to the season. i'm less enthused about more seasons if they're simply going to toy with their audiences expectations than producing an excellent period peice from history that i'm interested in.
in the end the entire series was about a battle never fought
Yes, that’s the book the show comes from. It’s been a long time but as I recall it, the book treats that battle as even more of an afterthought, something like “of course it ended in a big battle, but the conclusion was already foretold by everything we just talked about, we don’t even need to talk about the battle to know how it went.” The series actually gives even more detail about it than the book when Toranaga clarifies that Mariko’s role was decisive in making the mother of the heir drop her support of his enemy, and that’s it.
The book is not about the battle, the book is about how the battle was won even before it started and how Tokugawa / toranaga made that happen, the battle is irrelevant.
sure, and that's a shitty story, told in a shitty way. the intrigue was only barely interesting, and so over telegraphed for the last 5 episodes, the eventual end was jut empty, devoid of any real punch. mariko giving her life to the cause that toronaga used so maliciously and carelessly along with all the other vassals who sacrificed for him, as well as bragging of trapping the pilot, and laughing he had other sons with his baby, was all so ugly, and weird. the battle of sekigahara was no "afterthought" it was THE place where allegiences changed sides, THAT is where this historical pendulum swung, not in some convoluted public shaming. the show held true to the work it was based on, great, still sucked and was terribly unsatisfying. so, if they're gonna make more of that, they can keep it.
They could simply continue from where they left off in Season 1 and fill in the blanks? I personally felt the ending was a little unsatisfying.
Either way, it’s a bold move. It wouldn’t be the first time a team of writers has had to come up with completely original material and fallen flat on their faces.
Well that’s kinda where the book ends. I find it odd they want to continue…
It looks like a lot of people are whining that they expected more battles, because it doesn’t matter that it comes from a book that is about political intrigue and smart people, not historical bloodbaths. So I’m gonna assume that they’ll give the people what they want, and I won’t expect any of the plotting around that the book did - they’ll probably pretend to care about it, but they’ll just pivot to a simple retelling of historical events. I don’t know who Michaela Clavell is, but I don’t know how much she can help sticking to the Clavell writing style. We have Sekigahara, Shimabara, and Osaka to look forward to.
I like the show, but Augie is the worst character ever written for any show ever. I cringed every time she showed up again. It’s a show about aliens and the least believable part of the show is that Augie would have any friends.
The show captures the spirit of the books well. The books jump back and forth way more and the show takes story lines from later book there told in flashbacks and puts them in chronological order.
I’ve read the first book and only watched the first two episodes. First thing : the Book takes place in China, which is more logical.
From what I’ve seen from the first two episodes, they created a lot of new things (the number of protagonists, the fact that a girl seemingly come from nowhere and doesn’t appear on cameras, the fact that the satellites didn’t see the blinking stars whereas it was precisely the satellites that saw them in the book, …)
I think the show took the book, did a fanfic rewriting of it and published it. Were they right ? Maybe, because the boo wouldn’t translate really well as is, in a TV show.
I have yet to read the book, but one the things didn’t like from the show is that all the key players for working to fight back happened to be a group of friends who all knew each other, which is kinda implausible. Was it the same in the book?
i’ve read the books and loved it as a sci fi fan. however the first book is the weakest but the most important to establish its premise as a low sci fi story.
I know it’s science fiction and belief should be suspended a bit, but 10K years and their tech is the same? Did they just reach a peak they couldn’t pass until Spice was found and used for further travel?
Well about 2500 years before the events of Dune, they also had the idea to advance technology.
Unfortunately it went so terribly that humanity was almost hunted to extinction and the creation of thinking machines are now banned in every part of the empire!
Ahhh, interesting. Thank you for the background - I’ve got some more research to do in the Dune lore. I really only focused on the movies/books timeline.
I can think of a fantastic stopping point for Season 2 that’ll leave fans unfamiliar with the source material on the edge of their seats.
Unless it’s the scene that made everyone have certain feelings about Abby, which is decently early in the game, I’m not sure what scene they mean. Anyone have thoughts?
I mean, that’s already kind of happened with the Brian Herbert/Kevin J Anderson novels, so…
I don’t hate those books the way some people seem to. The ones set in the distant past flesh out the universe nicely. They’re just definitely not as good as what Frank wrote.
I can’t stand those books. Anderson’s writing is like a 5th grade report. Tell them what you are going to say. Say it. Tell them what you told them.
He may need a recap of what each character is thinking and feeling every 3 or 4 chapters, I don’t.
Plus Frank would let the world be background for the story. All ‘world building’ is only in focus when interacting with the story and characters. World building for its own sake seems masturbatory to me.
It was supposed to come shortly after the first movie then it went radio silence. I had given up on it considering the new head of HBO is so trigger happy.
An early synopsis promised me a scifi story with a more serious twist on Buck Rogers and some Gravity mixed in.
What I got was a first episode of scifi and the following half of the season drowned in a repetitive psychological drama… It could not hold my interest beyond episode 4.
Acting and production all was top notch but how the story went made it clear to me it was not a long lasting show.
Sums up why i stopped watching after the middle of the third episode. Don’t make your series seem like a scifi series and then pivot it to a boring psychological thriller.
It reminds me of that Denzel Washington movie in which he safely landed a plane after a serious mechanical failure. The trailers focused on that and I thought the story was going to revolve about being a pilot or the technical investigation.
Nope. It was a drama about alcoholism.
It was good overall, but I expected something totally different.
Interestingly, this is what I liked about it. Sure, I was expecting more Sci-Fi, but I was pleasantly surprised to enjoy the psychological drama. They dragged it on too long and stumbled mid season, but I was there for it.
As I saw it, it was about grief and loss, and that’s something not everyone is interested in watching all the time. So it was probably hard to market (unfortunately a lot of great things are just niche and hard to market). But the combination of a sci-fi idea and a drama about loss that they pulled off was for me rather wonderful.
The idea of that liminal cabin and how they wander in and intersect there at various times was beautiful to me. Episode 6, personally, was one of the most touching pieces of TV I’d seen in a long time.
called it. this show was a mess, adult astronauts, of whom advanced education and cognitive ability are a prerequisite, spend 90% of the seasons runtime continuously unable to put 2 and 2 together, lol. the scale and production of this show with it's A tier cast deserved so much better writing than it got.
I’m just fed up with the quantum quantum parallel universe BS. Dark Matter looks a little bit more enjoyable at the moment, but definitely in precarious balance.
Apple TV+ have some pretty solid Sci Fi shows, but I’ve been disappointed more than once lately. I have a lot of hope for season 2 of Severance, and a fair amount of apprehension TBH.
PS: Did you watch Sugar? That thing was totally unexpected, but I’m not quite sure if it was in a good way, or a bad way, or a meh way.
Yeah, I was appreciating Sugar as some sort of modern edgy “Magnun PI”, and I was looking forward to it, but that twist changes everything. I hope they do it justice, because the show it was heading for would have been good
I’m just fed up with the quantum quantum parallel universe BS. Dark Matter looks a little bit more enjoyable at the moment, but definitely in precarious balance
I like the premise of parallel universes (the road not taken), but the pacing of Dark Matter is why I gave up on it. Its just slow to get to the point, no filler just padding the moments to get the episode to a 45-50 min runtime.
agreed, i mean i'm still interested, but you gotta hook me, DM didn't, it was a slog, and I've been through too many of those to invest in an another AU wizard trip unentertained, which is why i made it to 1/2 of ep 2, but will go no further
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