In your case, just start reading, something, anything. Your education is severely lacking if you are seriously asking for references on Stalin’s view of Jews.
So did Americans until Eisenhower had pictures taken of the concentration camps. A Nazi rally of 20,000 took place in Madison square garden in 1939. Antisemitism was the norm in the US prior to WW2. The historic opinion of Jews should not be ones only defining line in the sand.
Seems like that was more just the last 2 months, the rhetoric conflating Jews with a few banking families seems to have been on the rise among “progressives” for a while now.
Have you seen this in person or just online? There’s probably more bad actors trying to push antisemitism ideas onto the left then there are real people in those spaces. Eventually, real people get tired of arguing with bots and paid shills and just leave the online space, leaving only the idiots.
The problem with using hippie’s as an example is that they aren’t a monolith and many hippie groups were just some flavor of cult with no real political ideology at the top other then being anti-establishment. It’s not surprising that many of them intermingle with neo-nazis, but hippies being left leaning is more a piece of fiction then history truth.
in person. “Hippie” is just my general term for ravers, burners, arty types, heavy drug users, marxists, and the types pushing polyamory as superior. I’ve been a few of these one time or another. Other than myself, and a few notable hard partiers from Texas and Saskatchewan, i’ve found right leaning hippies to be very rare.
The guy who makes these lives in Italy or Greece or something. It’s been awhile since I saw the bio, but he’s definitely not American. He’s either a wannabe alt-righter cosplaying an American MAGA hat or he’s a genius troll poking at the American right. Either way, don’t take these comics as anything but heavy satire.
Okay, but like, the woman is still on the right side? Like, she’s clearly not okay with the people behind her, so she’s still got good opinions. So long as she follows through and also admonishes the protesters, she’s right both times.
Maybe, but the people out with the signs may not be. First of all: where and how are they protesting? Canada has a bunch of people being fucktards all over and I’ve yet to see where OUR government actually has a say in that particular conflict.
Add to that the ones laying threats, and the one “protest” that happened right after the Hamas attack while members cheered the casualties and just mayyyyybe there’s a certain significant element that doesn’t think Palestine will be “free” until all their so-called enemies (that’d be the Jewish people, whatever they live) are dead.
If the “right side” is calling or cheering for death and violence, you might want to reconsider what you consider right
It’s the only right opinion in that picket line, but the fact that it’s grouped with the antisemitic shit is just a show of how the right views Palestine. Never mind all the Jewish people who support freeing Palestine too 🙄
Russia hates “Nazis”. Not Nazi politics or policies, just the part where they broke their pact with Stalin and then attacked Russia. Modern Russia is really pretty okay with the values that Nazis hold, just not the historical war part. And, in point of fact, the professional Russian military (versus the meat-shield conscripts) have a pretty high percentage of nei-nazi members. (I’m singling out Russia because the hammer and sickle is so closely associated with Russia, as it was adopted as part of the flag of the USSR. IIRC it’s still used by the Chinese communist party, but not by the country.)
As far as the ‘Death To Israel’ and ‘Free Palestine’ part, those aren’t antisemitic by themselves. You can oppose the actions of the country of Israel, and even oppose it’s existence as an apartheid ethnostate without being antisemitic, although the far-right nationalists in Israel will say otherwise.
Are you really trying to make “Death to Israel” sound like something good? People who say that quite literally mean Israel should not exist and that includes make it un-exist through violence. At that point people can’t pretend to not be on Hamas side.
I’ve already answered this, in the comment you’re replying to.
Opposing the existence of an apartheid ethnostate is not, by itself, antisemitic. Or necessarily bad. Unless you want to replace it with something equally oppressive, such as a country run by Hamas or Hezbollah. (The IDF is what Hamas would be if Hamas had billions in funding from the US.)
Israel has the power to stop this cycle at any time. They could acknowledge their past wrongs, and work to correct them, by returning stolen land to the Palestinians and making reparations. Instead they’re determined to end the cycle of violence by committing genocide. Which, I guess, if you turn your head sideways and squint, does end the cycle of violence, because you’ve straight-up murdered everyone.
The IDF is what Hamas would be if Hamas had billions in funding from the US.
Well, minus rights for women, children and LGBTQ. I think we should not forget that.
Hamas has the power to stop it right now by releasing all hostages. There won’t be an admitting of past wrongs if that is a one-sided deal. To comfortably brush over everything Palestine did and does is more than just picking a side. I think it works against a peace between the two groups.
Palestine in the past has made clear on several occasions that they won’t accept Israel there. At all. How do you suggest that issue is solved without Palestine accepting their part in this as well?
Hamas has the power to stop it right now by releasing all hostages.
You think that’s going to stop Israel?
How do you suggest that issue is solved without Palestine accepting their part in this as well?
I would say that, given that Hamas doesn’t have the nuclear weapons and billions/trillions of dollars in US funding that Israel does, that maybe there’s a fuckton more responsibility on Israeli to get their shit in order than Hamas. That is kinda like saying that Rodney King deserved to be beaten, and that he needed to take responsibility for the actions of the LAPD offices since he resisted arrest.
If you want actual satire of a similar calibre, I highly recommend the film Iron Sky as well as it’s sequel. It’s a political satire film with literal moon nazis. Hilarious and never forgets how ridiculous it’s premise is, while still managing to be political satire
I’m just hoping there’s a third that finally lets us meet the Soviet Martians.
When I watched the first one for the first time I had a really bad head cold and honestly spent a few years questioning if I didn’t make the whole thing up
My interest in the second kinda died when they announced the third had Chinese money as an investor.
I’m always a fan of things where the Nazis are batshit insane campy morons because they’re historically accurate :p
They really are. Hollywood’s done a terrible job because of how comment and professional they like to portray them when really the Nazi party was one giant nepo hire org.
A lot of folks from the US seem to think the Nazis were socialists, because they called themselves “nationalist socialists” and well, by US standards, the Nazis were rather socialistic, too.
But the other big parties at the time were:
The “center” party, basically Christian/conservative (Z / BVP)
The communist party (KPD)
The socialist party (SPD)
So, yeah. You did not vote for the nationalist socialist party, because you wanted socialist politics.
Here’s a copypasta that I put together two years ago yesterday in response to the usual “but it sez soshulist in the name” arguments (this isn’t an argument against you, per se, it’s just there for anyone to use in the event of such arguments):
[Hitler] was wholly ignorant of any formal understanding of the principles of economics. For him, as he stated to the industrialists, economics was of secondary importance, entirely subordinated to politics. His crude social-Darwinism dictated his approach to the economy, as it did his entire political “world-view.” Since struggle among nations would be decisive for future survival, Germany’s economy had to be subordinated to the preparation, then carrying out, of this struggle. This meant that liberal ideas of economic competition had to be replaced by the subjection of the economy to the dictates of the national interest. Similarly, any “socialist” ideas in the Nazi programme had to follow the same dictates. Hitler was never a socialist. But although he upheld private property, individual entrepreneurship, and economic competition, and disapproved of trade unions and workers’ interference in the freedom of owners and managers to run their concerns, the state, not the market, would determine the shape of economic development. Capitalism was, therefore, left in place. But in operation it was turned into an adjunct of the state.
—Ian Kershaw, Hitler: A Biography, 2010
In the climate of postwar counter-revolution, national brooding on the “stab-in-the-back,” and obsession with war profiteers and merchants of the rapidly mushrooming hyperinflation, Hitler concentrated especially on rabble-rousing attacks on “Jewish” merchants who were supposedly pushing up the price of goods: they should all, he said, to shouts of approval from his audiences, be strung up. Perhaps to emphasize this anti-capitalist focus, and to align itself with similar groups in Austria and Czechoslovakia, the party changed its name in February 1920 to the National Socialist German Workers’ Party…. Despite the change of name, however, it would be wrong to see Nazism as a form of, or an outgrowth from, socialism. True, as some have pointed out, its rhetoric was frequently egalitarian, it stressed the need to put common needs above the needs of the individual, and it often declared itself opposed to big business and international finance capital. Famously, too, anti-Semitism was once declared to be “the socialism of fools.” But from the very beginning, Hitler declared himself implacably opposed to Social Democracy and, initially to a much smaller extent, Communism: after all, the “November traitors” who had signed the Armistice and later the Treaty of Versailles were not Communists at all, but the Social Democrats.
—Richard J. Evans, The Coming of the Third Reich, 2004
This ideology took a leftist label chiefly for tactical reasons. It demanded, within the party and within the state, a powerful system of rule that would exercise unchallenged leadership over the “great mass of the anonymous.” And whatever premises the party may have started with, by 1930 Hitler’s party was “socialist” only to take advantage of the emotional value of the word, and a “workers’ party” in order to lure the most energetic social force. As with Hitler’s protestations of belief in tradition, in conservative values, or in Christianity, the socialist slogans were merely movable ideological props to serve as camouflage and confuse the enemy.
—Joachim Fest, Hitler, 1973
And finally, don’t forget that the Nazis banned the Social Democrats and other leftists from politics, and that the holocaust focused on more than just Jews:
In the months after Hitler took power, SA and Gestapo agents went from door to door looking for Hitler’s enemies. They arrested Socialists, Communists, trade union leaders, and others who had spoken out against the Nazi party; some were murdered. By the summer of 1933, the Nazi party was the only legal political party in Germany. Nearly all organized opposition to the regime had been eliminated. Democracy was dead in Germany.
—United States Holocaust Memorial Museum
I’m just glad I hadn’t deleted it. Guess I’ll continue to keep it.
So Hitler went from door to door killing off political opponents. Alex Jones has been insisting that Democrats have been doing this on the reg for the past thirty years. Seems to have worked pretty good for Hitler, and probably would have continued to do so if not for invading neighboring countries and genociding Jews. Since MAGAts are an actual terrorist organization with plenty of kills under their belts, we can probably avoid invading neighboring countries or genociding Jews.
The Nazis were not socialistic by any metric, unless your definition of socialism is the government doing stuff, but especially not by New Deal America standards.
That just goes to show how ignorant the average American is. Not what any word means. By that definition all governments would be socialist. Which clearly isn’t the case. Unless you’re one of those people that likes to imagine themselves both capitalist and libertarian.
I feel like there’s plenty room for different interpretations here and I truly do not care to make a point about which Nazi policies were good, ackshually.
My metric here was that I assume modern US Republicans would want to roll back the socialist structures put in place by Bismarck (mandatory health insurance & retirement saving).
The NSDAP didn’t, and that was the very least that they virtue-signaled by calling themselves “socialist”.
They literally use any word they hear as an insult with zero thought to its meaning. Especially if it’s something they were labeled as previously since, you know, they’re idiots incapable of originality. This is why nothing they say makes sense.
So the woman is berating the “I Like America” guy, and is frightened when a crowd rolls up and threatens her. The woman has a rainbow on her shirt, and clearly represents the “woke” crowd. The buff, red shirt guy is how the MAGA people want to see themselves. Those characters, I get. But, what’s with the crowd of his buddies that’s about to beat her down? This part doesn’t make sense. Why are they carrying a bunch of random protest signs? Are they really admitting to infiltrating protests as agents provocateurs?
Aye, thanks. I did get that after reading other comments. This is a good example of the concept of “different movies on the same screen” depending on one’s worldview. I saw lines in the first panel implying motion behind the woman, the MAGA dude exchanging knowing glances with the crowd the showed up—clearly a MAGA crowd based on the Soviet emblem—and the flop sweat in the last panel.
This is a “right wing people can’t meme” server. The very well established culture war has conditioned right wing people to see all people left of center as delusional hypocrites who hate Jews. Ironically, all of the anti-semitic rhetoric from Americans generally and has always reliably come from the political right. Now that it’s Jews vs Brown people, the political right has chosen their allegiance and everyone else is just stupid obviously.
Don’t know many hardcore socialists do you? Antisemitism and marxism go together like peanut butter and jam, what better boogeyman for anti capitalists than every jewish sterotype ever?
You’re just not reading it correctly. Hitler was right. As in ideologically. The sign is valid, though I would have chose clearer language.
The kerning is off on the middle sign and some minor typos. “Death too is real.” Reminding us we should be conscious of what the future has in store. Climate change is real and death too is real…
Edit: also if you look closely at his shirt you can see some letters are covered. After some research online i found that the shirt actually reads, “I like the name Ricardo.” Which seems like nonsense so I’m not sure what the artists was getting at there.
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