soulless,

In order to have an actual conversation, I believe having a common understanding of the facts is a premise, agreed?

Firstly, the number of people who died has a 200-10 000 range.

Timothy Brook (referenced above) makes a good argument for 2 600, which matches the number the Chinese Red Cross gave multiple journalists at the time and so that is what I am most inclined to believe. The baseline is in any case higher than 200, because Beijing hospital records show 500 dead, which does not include any killings carried out on the street since they presumably did not die at the hospitals. It is also probably lower than 10 000, as you mentioned.

Secondly, the case of the 5 murdered people in the square itself. Wu Renhua, author/historian and Choi Shufen (who is the one quoted above by Hui) name these:

  1. Cheng Renxing
  2. Dai Jinping
  3. Li Haocheng
  4. Zhou Deping
  5. Huang Xinhua (I could not find a link, possibly spelled)

** Wu R. 天安門血腥清場內幕 and 六四事件中的戒嚴部隊, both available on amazon*

You are failing to follow the simple timeline

This is not intentional, any simple timeline is hard to follow since the events happened over an extended period of time, and there were presumably many interactions between goverment forces and protestors leading up to the events that happened on June 3-4. So far what I have read on the subject suggests that violence directed towards PLA may have been e.g. pelting by stones or similar in the week before June 4, however I have not seen good sources claiming civilians were actually killing and lynching soldiers at any time prior to when the massacre actually began. If you do have such sources, I am open to changing my mind, although I do not think Twitter threads or Youtube videos should be seen as good sources, and are not likely to change my mind.

This is disappointing, you seemed more interested in actual conversation before.

Comments like this are uncouth and unproductive. I don't appreciate being talked down to, and I will do my best to return the favour if you can do the same for me.

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