I just started the use the fediverse to get away from Meta (I have a somewhat active Instagram) and Reddit.
Now unfortunately my userbase is going to threads without knowing what it even is. I'm trying to spread awareness about the fediverse but it's like yelling into the void. I signed up for threads and will continue to try to post content about the fediverse, but I also have to have an audience to share my art to as I'm trying to build some interest for a game I'm making.
This really sucks. I feel extremely upset about this whole meta thing. I could continue to try to build from scratch, but I am hoping to release the game next year and I already have 3 years head start on Instagram, it feels bad to also just abandon what I've worked hard on.
I dunno, I'm just venting. I hate Meta. I don't even have a actual Facebook account. Hell I didn't know Facebook owned Instagram until a year in.
I'll just try to continue to stay active on my fediverse accounts. And try to promote the fediverse on the centralized BS networks.
Hey man don’t overthink it. You need a meta product for work or for a project, just use it professionally. You need to think about your own success and go where your audience is.
Now on your personal time if you don’t want the toxicity of those places come to the fediverse and let’s have a nice chat.
I think the goal of the fediverse is not to eat the world but on the contrary to give us alternatives so we can compartmentalize our internet life.
Thank you so much, seeing the whole threads thing ruined my day yesterday night and this morning. I felt like a sense of hopelessness for the future of decentralized platforms.
You're right, I can continue to use both for different purposes.
There's nothing here to leave from in the first place, this place is pretty much empty at the moment. At least when a big player joins the fediverse it will bring users here and we will finally get decent content. The good thing about the fediverse is that the bad actors can just be defederated if things get too bad, unlike reddit for example.
Same. If kbin joins in, I'm gone. I haven't been here long enough to give a fuck, but I do love it. I want kbin and Lemmy to make the right decision, but won't think twice about leaving the second I see things taking an enshittified turn. Fuck off, Meta - nobody wants you here.
The beauty of this all is that you can just head to a different Kbin or Lemmy instance. There absolutely will be instances that refuse to federate with Meta.
Arbitrarily blocking an actor at the protocol level is directly contrary to the entire point of decentralized protocols in the first place.
I know, Meta bad, but the fact of the matter is that they probably won't be defederated by everyone, actually, because the idea of being able interact with your real friends and family and other people you know is going to be enticing.
I want their products to fail so miserably that they regret coming here, and if i have to host several bot instances to spam the worst shit imaginable on their shitty platform. I don’t want Facebook to be a part of the internet in the future, they can go bankrupt. They don’t deserve the internet.
I know there won’t be a Meta filter in activityhub, its just a wish.
Edit: I just woke up when I wrote the original comment and I can see that it’s not the clearest piece of text I’ve ever produced. What I meant is that I fully agree with defederating (and I’ll do it on my instance), but I don’t think censoring Meta in the core technology (ActivityPub) is the way to go.
It literally is, do you not see the power dynamics here? If the fediverse is to defend itself it must at all cost not federate with Meta or we will end up like XMPP.
Changeable definitely, would have to think about whether default block is the smart thing to do. It’s hard, I really dislike Meta, but on the other hand if you go censoring instances by default, where does it stop?
IMO this should be the job of articles that tell you how to setup Lemmy, mentioning something like “Note that by default you also allow Meta the access to your instance which might mean privacy breach, here’s how you disable it.”
I’m also concerned about the potential for embrace/extend/extinguish, but searching for other fediverse users and posts is enough of a hurdle that threads might end up naturally staying a fairly separate instance.
Can somebody explain me exactly how defederating them would give us a different outcome?
I’m genuinely curious.
Meta couldn’t give less fucks about 100k users on lemmy, they are targeting people that isn’t and will never use nor understand what the fediverse is.
You keep them out, good. They don’t care, they just want to fill their own bucket with stuff that is outside anyway
Twitter people going to threads is completely independent from anything in the fediverse. Those people won’t even notice any difference if they are federated or not.
They are in for the brand and the fomo, not the content
Some clever coding genius should host an instance for a bot they make that stays federated with everyone, and the entire point of the bot is to crawl across posts and anyone posting from Threads gets a nice public reply about why Threads is a toxic instance and they should switch to a non-Meta one immediately.
I mean I know why ppl are scared it will kill off the fediverse, but the only thing that can kill off the fediverse is the Devs. As long as they don’t sell it or start involving a bigger company in the development, we are fine. And pull requests are transparent and therefore not a thread with enough common sense.
I see the risk but I don’t think it’s that imminent.
I’m interested in seeing how the enshittification of Threads will unfold. It’s all super neat and cozy right now with a clean UI, no ads, not many sign up nags, and such. When they build up their userbase, we’ll see how the platform devolves.
Moved to Fediverse to get away from the data hoarding and selling that those types of companies partake in. Really hope most instances will defederate from threads and prevent Meta from collecting more data.
The only thing they can collect (as long as you aren’t on their services) are the things that are available for the entire world to see. So your comments, usernames etc. are already visible and they won’t get any of your personal data as that’s not known except to your instances admins.
They will collect or probably are already collecting. Even if everyone defederate from Threads, they can and will open a secret instance and get all the data without anyone knowing it
The problem is you don’t want the kind of people Meta will bring here to be here. Also the fact that they’ll take all your info and sell it to every company and government on Earth.
It really needs to be considered that included in that group of "people Meta will bring here" is the vast majority of people's real-world friends and family. And for better or for worse, a lot of people are going to want that, actually.
If meta pushes this it will be to brand themselves with decentralized social media. The average person will associate the concept with meta and assume it was a meta invention. This may be a long play by meta to get in front of things like mastodon/lemmy/kbin/etc and become an established player in the space to the laymen before the actual established players can do so
It’s a gross misuse of their obscene power bordering on monopoly and hardly a good thing. Even if the above isn’t true they will 100% use it to harvest as much data as humanly possible without consent and tons more if you’re stupid enough to give them consent. They will tune algorithms to feed people rage bait and stupid bullshit to drive engagement at all costs. And they’ll load it with intrusive targeted advertising
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