DasherPack

@DasherPack@lemmy.world

Reddit refugee, into foss, math and classical music.

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DasherPack,

We do?

DasherPack,

Thanks! :) The matrix channel I had found was incorrect…

DasherPack,

Translation:

Telegram, the most popular alternative instant messaging application to WhatsApp, will be temporarily blocked in Spain by order of the judge of the National Court, Santiago Pedraz, as a result of a complaint filed by Mediaset, Antena 3, and Movistar, who accused the application of hosting copyrighted content without permission.

At the time of publishing this article, the messaging application continues to function normally, but it is expected that the service will cease to be operational in the next few hours, once telecommunications companies carry out the block imposed by the National Court.

As explained on Telecinco, the National Court would have requested information from Telegram about the alleged audiovisual content hosted without permission on the platform, owned by the companies that filed the complaint: EGEDA, Atresmedia, Mediaset, and Movistar. Since the administrators of the social network have not responded to the judge’s request, he has opted to order the block temporarily while the investigation continues.

At the moment, Telegram has not commented on the block.

Although many Telegram users are still able to use the messaging platform without problems, services like DownDetector are already collecting the first complaints from users affected by the block.

It is expected that, gradually, all telecommunications operators in the country will take the necessary measures to block the use of the messaging service.

Is it possible to block Telegram?

The reality, despite the judicial block of the platform that the different national operators are obliged to implement, completely blocking Telegram is very complicated. Telegram as a platform is prepared for this type of situation, and one of the first measures that blocked users can take may be the configuration of a proxy. A proxy is a mechanism by which the platform is accessed from another server (the proxy), thus avoiding the network blockage of Telegram servers (which are not located in national territory).

Another possibility to continue using Telegram during the block is the use of a VPN. A VPN is a private connection that allows access to the Internet from another geographical location. In this way, a Spanish user connected to a French VPN could access Telegram servers from France since this block only affects our national territory. For example, iPhone users who have iCloud+ already have a VPN service by default on their devices, so they would not need to contract or configure an additional VPN.

Will the data be deleted during the block?

No, all your data and Telegram conversations will remain intact on Telegram servers. You do not need to back up that information or take it anywhere else. But if you are affected by the judicial block and cannot access it, until the judicial block is lifted or you access Telegram from an unblocked network (such as proxies or VPNs mentioned in the previous point), you will not have access to your data.

Does this imply the closure of Telegram in Spain?

Telegram, which has more than 800 million active users worldwide, does not have operational presence in Spain. This means that it does not have headquarters or employees managing any of the network in this country. Telegram was created by Pavel Durov, who remains its CEO today. Previously, Pavel was the creator of VK, the most popular social network in Russia as an alternative to Facebook. Telegram was already blocked in Russia in 2018 because its creator refused to provide information about its users to the government. This has not prevented Telegram from continuing to operate and being one of the most important communication channels today in that country.

DasherPack,

Original text:

Telegram, la aplicación de mensajería instantánea alternativa a WhatsApp más popular, será bloqueada en España de manera cautelar por orden del juez de la Audiencia Nacional, Santiago Pedraz, como consecuencia de una denuncia presentada por Mediaset, Antena 3 y Movistar, quienes acusaban a la aplicación de alojar contenido protegido por derechos de autor sin permiso. Telegram

En el momento de publicar este artículo, la aplicación de mensajería sigue funcionando con normalidad, pero se espera que el servicio deje de estar operativo en las próximas horas, una vez las empresas de telecomunicaciones lleven a cabo el bloqueo impuesto por la Audiencia Nacional.

Como explican en Telecinco, la Audiencia Nacional habría solicitado a Telegram información sobre el supuesto contenido audiovisual alojado sin permiso en la plataforma, propiedad de las empresas que han presentado la denuncia: EGEDA, Atresmedia, Mediaset y Movistar. Dado que los administradores de la red social no habrían dado una respuesta a la petición del magistrado, este ha optado por ordenar el bloqueo de manera cautelar mientras continúa la investigación.

Por el momento, desde Telegram no se han pronunciado al respecto del bloqueo. Telegram dejará de estar operativa en España de manera cautelar

Aunque muchos de los usuarios de Telegram siguen siendo capaces de utilizar la plataforma de mensajería sin problemas, servicios como DownDetector ya recogen las primeras quejas de usuarios afectados por el bloqueo.

Se espera que, poco a poco, todas las operadoras de telecomunicaciones del país lleven a cabo las medidas necesarias para bloquear el uso del servicio de mensajería. ¿Es posible bloquear Telegram?

La realidad, a pesar del bloqueo judicial de la plataforma que los diferentes operadores nacionales están obligados a implementar, bloquear completamente Telegram es muy complicado. Telegram como plataforma está preparada para este tipo de situaciones y una de las primeras medidas que pueden tomar los usuarios bloqueados puede ser la configuración de un proxy. Un proxy es un mecanismo por el cual se accede a la plataforma desde otro servidor (el proxy) y de esta forma se evita el bloqueo a nivel de red de los servidores de Telegram (que no se encuentran en territorio nacional).

Otra posibilidad para continuar usando Telegram durante el bloqueo es el uso de una VPN. Una VPN es una conexión privada que permite acceder a Internet desde otro lugar geográfico. De esta forma, un usuario español conectado a una VPN francesa podría acceder a los servidores de Telegram desde Francia ya que este bloqueo solo afecta a nuestro territorio nacional. Por ejemplo los usuarios de iPhone que tengan contratado iCloud+ ya tienen un servicio de VPN por defecto en sus dispositivos por lo que no necesitarían contratar o configurar una VPN adicional.

¿Se van a borrar los datos durante el bloqueo?

No, todos tus datos y conversaciones de Telegram se mantendrán intactos en los servidores de Telegram. No necesitas hacer una copia de seguridad de esa información ni necesitas llevártela a ningún otro lado. Pero si estás afectado por el bloqueo judicial y no puedes acceder a él, hasta que no se levante el bloqueo judicial o accedas a Telegram desde una red no bloqueada (como los proxys o las VPNs que comentábamos en el punto anterior) no tendrás acceso a tus datos. ¿Esto implica el cierre de Telegram en España?

Telegram, que tiene más de 800 millones de usuarios activos en el mundo, no tiene presencia operativa en España. Esto quiere decir que no tiene sede ni tiene empleados que gestionen nada de la red en este país. Telegram fue creado por Pavel Durov quien sigue siendo su CEO en la actualidad. Previamente Pavel fue el creador de VK, la red social más popular en Rusia como alternativa a Facebook. Telegram ya fue bloqueado en Rusia en el año 2018 porque su creador se negó a proporcionar información de sus usuarios al gobierno. Esto no ha impedido que Telegram haya seguido operando y que sea una de las vías de comunicación más importantes a día de hoy en ese país.

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For context, here is a map that shows the countries where telegram is banned:

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/2d58ad49-307e-4c56-9532-04b05d12fb68.png

(Dark red: Completely blocked; Light red: Blocked partially (some ISPs or audio traffic)) https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Countries_where_Telegram_is_blocked.svg

DasherPack,

Yes, the article (and the translation I provided) is very transparent. I, as most people in thls sub, think this is a violation to our rights as citizens.

DasherPack,

In Spain most young people get their pirated sport streams on Telegram.

DasherPack, (edited )

Could someone explain? I’m not native :/

Edit: Thank you to everyone that explained it!

DasherPack,

Thanks :) I love this community

DasherPack,

That’s what traffic lights do here in Spain. I don’t actually know if Red-yellow-green has any advantage

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Love the update, works perfectly besides one small thing.

In my device, the local and global explore tab show only local communities (tried it on multiple instances)

DasherPack,

In xiaomi phones there is a xiaomi store, in Samsung phones there is a galaxy store, and here in Spain if you buy a phone through a ISP, you may get another app store from said ISP (I know Orange and Vodaphone do this, Vodaphone going as far as preinstalling shitty mobile games on their phones to get a commission)

DasherPack,

Yeah, I can imagine that. Tobacco companies have been selling better smoking (first, electric cigarettes, then vapes) for decades.

Without control, companies will always want to sell more

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Here it is compulsory. I am very surprised to hear that in the USA it isn’t.

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Here we have laws that even include the allowed ratio between bathroom stalls and clients

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Spain! here are the rules in Madridq

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Roughly a quarter

So it’s still beneficial to copyright companies and governments to block sites.

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The number is wrong.

It’s actually +400 000.

elpais.com/…/la-investigacion-del-defensor-del-pu…

DasherPack,

The letter looks like it was written by a 15 y/o. I remain sceptical

DasherPack,

Wow

DasherPack,

Yes, glasses give headaches at the beginning (if they correct a lot, not if they slightly adjust the owners vision). It’s how it is, you need to suffer a bit until you get used to them. Then, you get headaches when you don’t wear them.

DasherPack,

Here in Spain everyone uses whatsapp. I clearly see people buying products through the app from local businesses. I don’t necessarily like it, but it has high chance of being successful (not like channels, which will for sure be discontinued)

DasherPack,

I assume you arent in any transcribing group, right? I was a transcriber on reddit but they stopped

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