Very little. It’s largely a Congress thing. They decide who gets aid, how much, and where the funding comes from. Biden absolutely could do better with messaging. And his leadership has not done him many favors either. However, short of enacting war powers etc. There’s very little that the executive branch can do directly. Which makes so much of the ire Biden is getting misplaced and suspicious.
He should do better. So should the people hyperfixating on him.
But but but! It’s always been the Democrats and Republicans fault. Even though it’s always been this way. Even before recent changes in both parties. Even though it was this way before those parties even existed! /s
People say a lot of things. People only have the ability to do the things they’re given. He can push for it to change. He can even expedite already approved shipments. But what he can’t do is start or stop them himself. Congress can and the Republicans have shown they would override him.
You’re talking too much sense for most ML to tolerate. And far too many elsewhere as well.
We have to work within the systems that exist. Not the systems we wished existed. And if that wasn’t bad enough, so many refuse to engage with the system at all. Seeking only to accelerate it’s destruction regardless of those that will be killed. All the while pretending to be pious and claiming they wish to stop the killing.
There are no easy choices in life. I’m no Democrat. But I know everyone’s lives will effectively be worse with Republicans in control.
She 100% did. I share your sentiment. He did amazing still. And honestly I think he’s done better with the power he got in the Senate after running. Than he ever would have been able to do in the office of the president with both Democrats and Republicans against him.
That’s non sequitur. And doesn’t really even pass basic critical thinking tests. The government which has outsized control of all television radio and print media in the United States. Is really spending that much time and effort to propagandize to Americans on an international platform already heavily skewed fascist and right wing? Just because they ran ML off doesn’t mean it was some sort of government psyop. A lot of people even on the left. Don’t like Marxist leninists for good reasons.
Social media is one of the current best vectors for finding influence in the United states. If the US government really is using it to propagandize the people. They’re doing such a poor job of it I don’t think we really have anything to worry about from our governments propagandizing at all.
Nearly half the American voting population has a more favorable outlook on a foreign fascist dictator than they do our own president. And a large chunk of that current government is actively seeking to hurt American Allies and destroy the country’s power at large. Talk about a propaganda fail.
No the more likely explanation is that they’re pissing against a tide of a foreign misinformation. And having just about as much success as pissing against the ocean.
I’d say it’s unpopular because we have a lot of evidence to the contrary. We know for a fact that a large amount of traffic on Twitter and other social media sites are bots. We know for a fact that many political actors are paid. The problem is the people complaining about it most tend to be the ones who use them the most. Casting aspersions against those who don’t. All in an effort to confuse and muddy the waters so no one questions their use.
The same for fake news. People crying about the most are the ones who put out the most. That doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. Even if the accusations are often false
Realistically any group would be foolish not to take advantage of something like Bots or AI to help Drive their message. Even if it’s true.
We should just never take anyone screaming accusations at face value though.
No. But thak you for the contribution of your strawman. You gonna try to actually respond to anything I said? Or just going to continue to damage your position?
But they do it for a reason. For a purpose. Not just for funsies. I don’t see how them spreading misinformation weakening themselves is a logical goal. This is what you are arguing for. You need to support this. And the quote you just quoted does not
I’m not denying that all countries do it including the United states. What I’m simply pointing out is the absurdity of the claim that the United States and their military are even very prevalent let alone effective at it these days on line.
There are much better/ safer ways of keeping the population divided without turning them into acolytes of a foreign adversary.
Combine that with the fact that China and Russia are even bigger Echo Chambers than the United Statesever was. The fact there was even debate about Banning Tick Tock no matter how stupid the decision in the end was. Just proves it.
Whatever influence operation they’re pushing domestically will largely be through TV and radio. Anything they do over the internet is going to meet far higher diminishing returns and require far more effort. They are absolutely still doing it. But they’re spending much more time defending against it than employing it themselves.
The idea that the US gov’t doesn’t propagandize the US people is just so laughably and observably false.
I never said they didn’t. But thank you for showing that you’re not here in good faith and are just being disingenuous. It lets us all know not to bother talking to you.
Wow I’m surprised you even admitted your dishonesty. Leninists usually don’t do that ever. They’ll die on the hill they’d made for themselves rather than adjust their beliefs or admit fault.
You could have just said that without making shit up and being dishonest. I know the reason you didn’t. But you could have done that. The reason you didn’t though. You did not give any evidence. You cited two correlations and called it a causation of a separate 3rd thing with no evidence. There is as much evidence to support my statement as there is the support yours. Make of that what you will. But don’t go trying to convince anyone that you have any facts or evidence LOL.
Over the last century the United States has pushed a lot of propaganda at home and abroad that is a fact and I never disputed it. They aren’t alone on that either. I just think it’s hilarious that people think that just automatically translates into the online space. They’ve been shit at it. And on their back foot the whole time. The internet has poked more holes in it than everything before it. And they are far more vulnerable to foreign misinformation themselves then their modern contemporaries.
And they aren’t wrong. Every current election is the most important of your life. Not just presidential. If you choose not to participate intelligently. And loose access or rights as a result. You will likely never get them back.
There shouldn’t be a Jewish state though. It’s a different thing. I don’t think there should be a Christian state or a Muslim state either. Or a Mormon state or a Scientologist state.
There were Jews living in Palestine before it was carved up and given to the zionists. Why did it need to be turned into a Jewish state to the exclusion of people who have always lived there? At one point they were planning to carve up Argentina and South america. Which still would have been wrong. Though perhaps slightly less insane than what they did.
Yeah. There should. It’s always been a bad idea. And historically part of the reason they were persecuted. Not that it justified it. Nor does it justify them doing it in return.
So you’re saying we should stop resisting and just give the fascists the US as a Christian homeland? Help me understand.
And they are not treated equal. So you are saying that we should give America to the fascists? I mean after all if the Jewish homeland is 40% Muslim at other 60% is partially Christian as well. So less than 60% of the people in the Jewish homeland are Jewish. But it’s still their homeland somehow? Then Christians with 64% of American population should of course have rights to turn America into their locked down Homeland too.
Look I see you post a lot and I generally agree with you. But this is a little too far off the reservation for this indian.
No. But you all aren’t leaving and letting me and my relatives live on our land undisturbed. It’s kind of a double standard.
In all seriousness. An Injustice somewhere does not justify Injustice everywhere. People should be treated more equal if not equally entirely. That seems like a pretty decent deal right? You all get to live on our ancestral lands we all just have to treat each other equally. Easy and pretty sweet right?
Most Marxists just want a Worker-State and explicitly reject “Great Man Theory.” I agree that worshipping strong men is antithetical to the left, but I also see this in a very fringe minority
A minimal state. Representative of the people/proletariat. Not a brutal mono party that tries to crush all dissent.
And if strong man worship is so fringe and antithetical to ML. Why has it been a defining feature of every system of governance based on it? Stalin, Mao or Xi today, Castro, Kim Il Sung. Fringe is supposed to imply it’s not a core component of every single implementation and yet it is.
Yes. External factors are one thing entirely. And completely unrelated to crushing dissent. Dissent is an internal thing. And if you automatically classify all the dissent as a product of external factors there by making it something to fight and crush. You may have just perfectly encapsulated the issues with your ideology.
Also while I agree capitalists are not really good friends. They used to be Allied with the Russians during World War II for example. It’s almost like something happened post World War II that was actually the problem. And not just that capitalists must be fought everywhere. Do you know what that might have been? It’s something China is currently dealing with and failing in their own way. And I’m not going to say that it’s not hypocritical for many Western countries to criticize this considering what they’ve done. But just because a criticism is hypocritical doesn’t mean it’s not valid.
When internal dissent was mentioned you automatically jumped to externalizing it and fighting it. Not addressing it. You say that you’re not against it. But you just said that you were against it.
You can play ignorant if you like. We aren’t obligated to believe such poor acting however. You know exactly what I’m referring to. They forceful annexation of much of Eastern Europe post World War II including the dividing up of germany. And more contemporary. China’s failure upon absorbing Hong kong. And saber a rattling regarding Taiwan.
I agree. That’s not what I was talking about and you know that.
I didn’t ask you to apologize. I was simply explaining why a lot of countries are against Russia China Etc. That they much like the capitalist countries have given plenty of reason for people not to like or trust them. Which in many ways does a tie back directly to their mistreatment of their own citizens. Capitalists are no more anyone’s friend than ML are.
It’s almost like you’re engaging in bad faith. Which if I had to go by our history of interactions I would say is the most likely explanation.
A few things here. You have consistently, in this conversation even, many times lumped together and conflated all capitalists as a monolithic group. Do you have a right to object when someone does similar back at you?
Second you aren’t “Marxist” or representative of all marxists. You are on a domain specifically dedicated to leninism. A specific sub branch of Marxism not representative of the group as a whole. Which also includes other groups like Marxist Libertarians and communists etc. Hi! While defending ML against Marxist and adjacent critiques. What are we supposed to think?
If anyone has put words in your mouth. Consider the fact that you’ve repeatedly deflected and ignored what was said. Leaving everyone to assumed your answers. Nothing was stopping you from being direct.
If everywhere that’s implemented capitalism largely becomes violently exploitative. (And they do) And everywhere that’s implemented governments based off ML ideology has always become violently oppressive. (And they have) Then neither is a flaw of their respective ideology, or they both are. And if an ideology is flawed, our allegiance should be to outcomes. Not the ideology. Herein lies the rub. And where the similarities in capitalism and Marxist-Leninism shine. And why the rest of the left dislikes both. Both have been tried and found lacking. We need to move beyond both at this point.
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