You understand that being friendly with the DNC would have made him the exact kind of politician that people don’t want to vote for like Biden or Hillary? That is to say most people only vote for either of them because they prefer them to an even worse option (trump).
Whereas people really wanted to vote for Bernie because he actually stood for something
What happened between that story and the one I received was various propagandizing forces compounding.
For any information to exit North Korea, it almost certainly has to go through North Korean intelligence and it will almost certainly make its way through South Korean intelligence from there who have the highest priority to make North Korea look incompetent and evil. From there to get to me, it almost certainly has to go through some kind of usa propaganda.
The result, instead of the news story about an unimportant archaeological Discovery in Korea, I got a story about North Korea thinking they found a unicorn lair.
Now whenever I hear a story about North Korea, especially if it sounds as silly as this one ,I’m a little skeptical.
When Martin Luther King Jr said the white moderate was the biggest stumbling block of progressive politics he meant shit like this That favors order over Justice.
When it said that you cut a liberal in a fascist bleeds they mean you.
I’m an American that lives in a very blue state. I will be voting third party this election because my state and my vote will end up going to the blue team anyway. What I know is that if a third party gets 5% of the vote they get funding in the next round. I don’t know about all you guys, but I am tired of constantly picking the lesser evil and having every election I participate in be the most important election of our lifetime (so far
But sure Just say I’m a Russian bot. I’m sure that won’t distance people even further away from your politics.
For me, it’ll probably come down to Dr. Cornel West or Claudia de lacruz. I would vote for Jill Stein if those two aren’t viable at time of voting. All three of these candidates are closer to my values than any of the party nominees I’ve seen in my lifetime.
Rfk seems to have more in common with Republicans than anyone else and they’re my least favorite. I just generally find him kind of gross and grifty
If the nominee doesn’t align with my values in the next election, I will continue to do the what I am now. pushing people to vote for third party politicians that do align with their values in non-swing State situations.
I’m not doing nothing. I’m in a non-swing state that’ll go Blue no matter what I do. So I’m trying to organize people to vote third party so we can actually get a party that represents the people in. What are you doing??
It wouldn’t be on me because I know how the electoral college works and I know that my vote will go to the Dems regardless because I’m in Maryland, it’ll be blue as f*** regardless of what I voted for. If you want to spend money, I will bet you any amount of money you would like. That Maryland will be blue and all of its votes will go to Biden. Honestly that second paragraph’s Is just protection man. If you are actually doing something or just confused than Good luck to you.
Exactly if you live in a non-swing state like me that is either solid red or blue and does not change then vote third party. If you live in a swing state then vote for the lesser of two evils.
I already am a part of a local organization for ranked choice voting. That’s great advice. People should definitely do this. It would make everything so much better! 👈😎
From your last sentence, I’m assuming where you vote is in contention and since that’s the case, I think you’re right. I do want to say if you’re like me living in a non-swing state that is always going to go for the same party. Then have a little fun with a third party vote.
That’s like if you were talking about building a dog house and I asked you “How much of it’s done already?” And when you said not that much I could say. Well it’s never going to get done then. See how that’s silly?
I remember when he kept his campaign promise to close Guantanamo Bay and totally gave us universal health care and not some right-wing idea from the heritage foundation. He rebranded as Obamacare.
Good to know there are people who pay attention to politics here. Thanks Comrade 👈😎🛠️
I mean you could, but even if you’re successful, you end up in the same situation we are in now where we’re deciding between the lesser of two evils every election.
If you follow my plan instead, over time, third parties will gain more support allowing us to pick something other than the lesser of two evils.
I will be voting for Claudia Taylor Cruz or Dr. Cornell West myself, but in the event I can’t get one of those, Jill Stein (green party) would be my next pick. 👈😎
Did you ever see the cliff of him trying to tell the people Flint Michigan that their water wasn’t poisoned with lead and pretending the drink of glass of tap water in front of them. It wasn’t until I saw that that I realized that dude was just a puppet.
I’m neither but I’m pointing out that in your situation, the parallel of a pepperoni pizza to genocide isn’t the same because you can undo pepperoni pizza by taking the pepperonis off. Are you going to unmurder those children?
Tell me in your metaphor where you can pick off the f****** pepperoni tell me what the equivalent is you daft f****** fascist
Do you think maybe this is something beyond just trying to get people to vote for Trump? Maybe people just really hate genocide and don’t like the idea of voting or supporting someone who is okay with it?
Think maybe there are third party options?
Do you think maybe the electoral college and the stupid voting situation in this country has made it so many people have an opportunity to vote third party while their state still goes to Biden??
Listen all I’m trying to say is people have a ton of different reasons to call out Joe for his support of genocide. You immediately defending it makes you and the things you stand for look bad because you’re defending genocide. Just saying
The pig is dead both ways. Are you telling me to accept that all of Palestine has already been killed that there is not killing currently going on??
See this is why the metaphor is f****** stupid And doesn’t f****** work?.
There’s still innocent leople being slaughtered everyday and you’re over here supporting it.
I hope that you take one of their places. I hope that you and your family are killed instead of them because they have a chance of being empathetic where I can tell you’re not. I won’t be wasting my time replying to you again
You think the f***** who’s supplying weapons to the genociders is slowing down the genocide?
I know I said I wasn’t going to respond. That’s the dumbest f****** thing I’ve ever heard.
Let me put it to you. This way if someone’s ever torturing you the death, I will slow them down by supplying them the equipment to make you feel the most pain possible.
It’s a tragedy that it’s not you and your family starving to death and instead it’s innocent people.
All right, you really want the question answered. Here’s my answer. Genocide’s not involved so I’ll just eat the f****** pizza. You f****** privileged piece of s***
If anytime someone brings up how the current political establishment are aiding and abetting genocide and that’s a bad thing and you immediately start defending them. You are defending genocide. 🤷
That’s why I asked who said anything about voting for Trump. I’d shoot myself in the head before I did that. You know when I’m not going to do pretend like genocide Joe’s not a f****** genocide enabler. Cuz I don’t defend genocide or people who help commit them. You should try it real easy.
Yes, thank you! If you were to go through my comment history, you’ll see me arguing for voting for third parties in non-swing States. I also cite that if any of those third parties gets 5% in the vote, they get public funding in the next round as well as a chance to actually contend.
My vote is probably going to end up going for Claudia de La Cruz or Dr. Cornell West. Because I live in a hard blue state that will not change.
Another comment cuz I want to elaborate the problem is the Dems are controlled opposition. They pretend to be leftist and say they want to do the right thing but they never do. They’re always a couple votes short or just somebody turned on them or something always goes wrong. Obamacare was even a right-wing idea that came out of the heritage foundation. That’s why it sucks.
So solution we need an actual left-wing party. How do we do that without majorly screwing ourselves?
The only way I can think of outside of a violent revolution is slowly gaining control of a third party election after election to the point where it’s a viable contender and can win.
The only alternatives are violent revolution and continuing to pick the lesser of two evils and continuing to have the most important election of our lifetime so far every election. We need to do better. We need to organize.
Being complacent with where we are, especially with enabling genocide will only put us on the chopping block eventually.
What I’m trying to point out to you is that you and many other people I see here as soon as anyone points out that the Democrats are backing a genocide and something needs to be done about it. Act like those people, including myself are supporting Trump or other Republicans.
All I’m trying to say to you is there are other strategies available and other reasons someone would not want to vote for Biden. Even in a way you might deem safe.
As soon as a criticism of Biden is made and there is a suggestion that something can be done about it, It is shot down by saying Trump would do it worse. This sentiment is used to stop people who want to stop the genocide. That’s why I’m calling it defending genocide.
We all know Trump would do it worse. Do not vote for Trump. Or any Republican they all suck. The thing I’m trying to get through is most of the Democrats suck too. If we continue to vote for Biden, another Dems, we’re going to get the same shit.
By instantly countering with someone who wants to do better by saying well, you’re actually going to do worse. You were defending the status quo and part of the status quo is genocide.
Going to go back to voice to text and cursing like a sailor cuz that’s what I’m used to. But I appreciate the sentiment and the agreeable conversation. 🤝
To be clear. I’ve never said not voting is a good choice. I never want to hear non voters complain because their voice doesn’t matter cuz they don’t use their vote f*** them.
What I am saying is calling out Biden for enabling genocide is valid and shouldn’t be instantly shot down and voting for third party is cool in non-swing States.
Yeah I’m not saying anybody should roll over and roll that Trump win. I literally rather shoot myself. A vote for Trump is probably the worst thing you could do. I vote for the greens or the socialists or Cornell West on the other hand. It does some good. Not enough. Good to get us to where we need to be in this election but we can start the momentum now.
See I don’t think of this as “purity testing” because it’s genocide… You know? Like is there anything worse? Is there a worse thing that Biden could be supporting?
When I think of purity testing , I think more of a situation like we’re finally going to pass socialized healthcare, but dental’s not included so let’s just hold up the whole thing. That feels like a purity test cuz it’s splitting hairs even if it’s in a very important hair. When it’s enabling genocide or not, there’s no hair to be split there. It’s just the worst thing you could do.
The Dems not being able to not enable genocide or even really call it out is majorly hurting what their voter outcome is going to be. Regardless of anything I say or do that is just the case.
I’m not going to blame the voters for that. But as we know, most people didn’t want to vote for Biden in the first place anyway. They were really voting against Trump so hopefully they’ll do it again this November. But the more I see Dems talk about how we just have to suck it up and vote for Joe. Anyway. The more I think that turns voters off.
Which is where I think our ultimate disagreement lies. I believe that defending Joe and telling people they have to vote for him anyway, in the face of the said genocide Will lead to lower voter turnout and possibly hopefully not but maybe a republican win.
I think a bigger strategy that gives people hope even if it’s in the long-term will encourage voter turnout and higher voter turnout is better for Democrats.
Regardless, thank you for talking to me like a person and being cool. 🙂
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