Quill7513

@Quill7513@sh.itjust.works

Alt account of @Cube6392 for looking at stuff Beehaw defederated, now migrated to @Quill7513 . User is left intact for posterity

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[Announcement] [Discussion] Changes for The Agora

First, on behalf of @imaqtpie, @Seraph089 and myself, thank you all for choosing us to help run the community. We’re all really excited about the possibilities of both this instance and of The Agora community. We’re look forward to working with everyone to make this a great community. Feel free to reach out with any concerns...

Quill7513,

Since this post was linked from another thread, @Difficult_Bit_1339, you’ve unfairly characterized @socialjusticewizard as a beehaw.org user coming here “trying to stir up shit” as you’ve phrased it. Their sh.itjust.works account predates their beehaw.org account by two weeks. This post, the one we’re commenting on right now, is NOT clearly labeled as being the rules for vote posts. It’s just named “changes.” You should consider putting the rules for vote posts in the sidebar and in the vote posts themselves.

If you want to label me as a beehaw.org user coming here “trying to stir up shit,” too, so be it. At least my first account was from beehaw.org, and I came here looking to see sh.itjust.works and lemmy.world posts. At this point, I’m entirely done with this instance based on the overall handling of this situation and will be using my @Quill7513 account for the purposes this account was originally meant to serve. Here is some advice I have, as a sort of exit interview.

  1. Be nicer. Come on. The way you moderate this community will influence the way this entire instance operates. Your rudeness and dismissiveness sets the tone for the entire instance and how people will perceive users with @sh.itjust.works as part of their identity
  2. Define an executive process for defederation, just as you already have an executive process for moderation. Defederation is part of moderation and 1 month is not a fast turn around for this sort of situation
  3. Increase the transparency of the audit scripts you’re using to tally votes by linking a link to a git repo containing the script. I think it’s fair to say that your automated script for what the vote talley is and what someone reading through the vote sees as being the vote results are quite different

LPT: If someone makes an inappropriate joke you don't like then play dumb. This will wreck the joke and might even get them to stop.

If someone you know constantly makes reproductive anatomy or other borderline jokes and you think they should stop just play dumb. After the joke just say (with a straight face) that you don't get it. When they have to explain it it the joke satisfaction is gone and then more technical words need to be used to explain it making...

Quill7513,

Also good for confronting racist comments

Quill7513,

The question is if it's because of the current scale or the systems in place (the moderation culture of all of us owning our own experience). I think it's both. As more users join in the fun, we'll see more of the obnoxious trends we don't miss about reddit, BUT it will still be tempered by the system of everyone owning their own experience

Quill7513,

For me it's the ecosystem. Lemmy is more mature with its API and app ecosystem.

Quill7513,

Raises questions about all the other figures they've cited with regards to their value to investors and all the traffic they get

Quill7513,

Even if an app just went pure activity pub, Lemmy and KBin spec which activity pub constructs map to which constructs differently. An app would still need to pick one as a first class citizen

Quill7513,

Even if it was Ernest wouldn't be the expected admin I don't think

Quill7513,

I'd bet more likely the meme formatted is associated with "thing you already have and should invest energy into vs thing you take an interest in despite it being not as good"

Quill7513,

Makes the company appear so unconcerned.

Keep in mind that while Reddit may be giving the impression that they don't give a shit about people with disabilities, they also don't give a shit about people with disabilities

Quill7513,

And much like security, you have to design accessibility into the app. It can't be a feature you implement later once everything else is in place. The fact that Ernest is taking this seriously from the start tells me that while he won't hit 100% of the targets 100% of the time, the notion that accessibility won't be a focus because there's bigger fish to fry doesn't quite ring true. If he's thinking about these things, he's going to be approaching requested features with the idea in mind that the new feature should work for people with accessibility needs first, and be pleasant to use for everyone second

Quill7513,

It's hard to articulate. Reddit is at its core only a platform. All it did was give users a place to create, curate, contribute, and connect to, with, and for communities. Reddit was our magic feather. We didn't need them all along. All it did was tear down some mental blocks, so we could get started.

We wouldn't even be that mad if Reddit was trying to be reasonable. They're just being parasitic toward us, if we're being honest with ourselves. They want us to do all the work, so they can make all the money from our work, and then they want to charge us money for the honor of having been monetized. And it's not even that they're just chasing multiple different monetization schemes in moderation so that everyone profits. They intend to be greedy fucks in every transaction. They want users to pay subscription fees for Reddit premium (which isn't well priced, and therefore doesn't sell many subscriptions). Furthermore, they want developers to pay outrageous API licensing fees (which aren't well priced, and therefor almost all the developers are just shuttering). Not only that, they want to charge API fees toward AI training companies. My guess? Their prices are again too high, and the result will be that AI studios will just not pay for an official license and will do web scraping. It will require more work for them to get the scrapers to properly parse the threads, since what AI studios are interested in are threaded conversations right now. The AI studios will determine it is worth it to pay some engineers to do that rather than to pay the money Reddit wants (per my understanding, Reddit is charging the same money for AI studios as 3rd party apps).

So, where does that leave Reddit? Only with advertising revenue. They could lower the prices for their other services and make more money than that, but you would need to understand long-term cause and effect to do that, and u/spez has NOT demonstrated that kind of awareness. As evidence, note that advertisers are starting to reassess their contracts with Reddit (which by the way, their ads suck! You've collected all this demographic info about your users, but you can't provide advertisements that draw any kind of interest!? And you think you can be of value to AI companies!? What the fuck are you doing!?). Reddit's greed is losing them money.

Quill7513,

Mixed. On the positive, the fediverse is meant to be open for all, and the fact that it appeals to the corporate overlords means its demonstrated at least some degree of staying power. Further, this will bring far more people into the fediverse to interact and play with. On the negative, meta is a parasite, and most of us who are excited about the fediverse are going to gravitate to instances that defederate from Meta (and probably tumblr, too).

So on the whole? Its a neutral thing

Quill7513,

Nah we're all just cool enough that we know that was some Disney meddling ass bullshit

Quill7513,

Hey. That's not fair. Safari deserves quite a bit of credit for being spyware

Quill7513,

Google's been shit at search for like 5 years

Quill7513,

Also check out AtomicPress if you're an android user. The developer sought to take the James Hoffman dice and make them... A bit more unreasonably random. Sometimes the random recipes stumble into something truly excellent and unexpexted

Quill7513,

I was using that one for a while but I really wanted something that was nice on my phone, and the unreasonably random is a major draw

Quill7513,

Nah, UNIX certification requires paying money and almost all of the BSD spins said "That's dumb, we barely have money as it is"

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  • Quill7513,

    Sup. I'm doing that. It's working pretty well for me. I recommend it to anyone who wants to participate in the communities on beehaw but also wants the very permissive pattern, particularly if you have a favorite community here or on lemmy.world. I see plenty of people who are upset that they really liked a community on beehaw and now because their instance is defederated they can't go there, but consider that that community was the way that it was because of decisions made about moderation

    Quill7513,

    In real life, you can filter by not hanging out with people who speak abusively about and to you. You can walk away. And yeah, sometimes those abusive people follow you. So a lot of them seek online support communities as a retreat from the abuse. Saying "they should just toughen up" misses on what their daily life is like, and that no one wants to be subject to constant unending abuse

    Quill7513,

    That functionality doesn't exist yet as far as I know so the best bet is to ask the instance you're on "Would we defederate over this" and if the answer is no, change instances

    Quill7513,

    The Fediverse, and what you see in it, should be what you want it to be. That's what the prevailing design decisions of the Fediverse have always been. You want more exposure to more of the Fediverse than I do. That's great. You should have that. I want a more curated experience where I don't have to deal with what I consider bigoted or abusive behavior. I should also have that. It's why instance choice matters. If you don't like how an instance federates, you are free to pick another instance or self-host. For me, what works is two accounts. One that sees more, and one that's more curated. That's been a pattern of use on the Fediverse for a long time

    Fuck Reddit

    After years of using reddit, i finally deleted everything including my account there. Personally, i am not affected by the api prices, BUT, i couldn't live with me supporting people, who see their userbase, moderators and creators as nothing but noise. The point i'm making? Greetings Lemmy. I joined a few days ago and i'm here...

    Quill7513,

    Hey, I couldn't find any information about the nethernet. Care to send a link my way? (And maybe post it to a You Should Know community?)

    Quill7513,

    Thanks! I was able to find it after that. When I was searching I kept getting "Ethernet" even if I quote wrapped "nethernet"

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