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damselfly

@damselfly@fosstodon.org

Free, open source, cross-platform server-based #photo management system, written in #dotnet 7 & #Blazor. Developed by https://mastodonapp.uk/@markotway and designed for https://mastodonapp.uk/@PumpkinBeth

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khalidabuhakmeh, to webassembly
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Spicy take, but I think #Wasm will save #dotnet.

damselfly,
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@khalidabuhakmeh Not unless MSFT fix hot reload.

damselfly,
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@khalidabuhakmeh little bit.

Nothing I wrote is untrue though!

damselfly,
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@jaykul @khalidabuhakmeh you're missing the point. It's an excuse to rant about how shit hot reload is. Anything else is besides the point. 😉

Image from Microsoft SwiftKey Keyboard

damselfly, to random
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Wait, how is it that Rider doesn't have a gui option in the solution template to created a hosted blazor app?! (cc @khalidabuhakmeh)

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@khalidabuhakmeh That's what I was doing, new solution.....

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@khalidabuhakmeh ah. Weird, because I dropped onto the command line and created a hosted wasm app using dotnet new -ho. I have .Net 8 installed and it's what I'm using....

damselfly,
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@khalidabuhakmeh Cool. So maybe the UI should take account of this and offer me the option if I have 7 installed?

khalidabuhakmeh, to dotnet
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Blazor may have created a slight communication problem within the community. Someone sent me an email asking for “Blazor” help, and I have no friggin’ clue which variant they are talking about.

damselfly,
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@khalidabuhakmeh The number of threads in r/Blazor where the first reply is (or should be) "are you referring to blazor server or blazor wasm?" is about 70%.

mez, to blazor
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If I have to resort to Wikipedia to understand your product naming conventions and history, I just feel like either you aren’t doing a great job organising your product, or it isn’t ready for primetime.

I’m honestly still not sure what problem for is solving aside from C# / backend developers don't want to learn front-end code (understandable, I didn't want to learn C#) or use untyped JavaScript (solvable, calm down).

Yay, the C# ties to the FE, is that really that good?

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@TimPurdum @mez this. I picked blazor precisely because the whole js/yarn/npm etc ecosystem is awful. Really horrible. I have a 500k LoC app with a very rich dynamic UI that has about 100 lines of Javascript in it, and that, for me, is a huge win.

Having compile time type checking for client, server and the comms between them is a massive win in terms of error reduction and consistency. Sure, you can do it in JS or TS but it's harder and not as fully integrated.

peterdrake, to CSharp
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Java:

HashMap<Integer, String> m = new HashMap<>();
m.put(1, "one");

C#:

Dictionary<int, string> d = new Dictionary<int, string>();
d.Add(1, "one");

Okay, fine so far...

Java:

String s = m.get(1);

C#:

String s;
m.TryGetValue(1, out s);

damselfly,
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@peterdrake @flq why not edit your original post then? Or delete it, since it's now rendered pointless?

khalidabuhakmeh, to dotnet
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👋 folks, when was the last time you used an event handler in your codebase?

Think “timer.Interval+= DoStuff”.

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@khalidabuhakmeh @davidwengier Yeah, seen some really nasty ones where Dispose was declared, to unhook the handler, but because

@implements IDisposable

Wasn't declared on the razor component, they never get called. Asked MSFT to add an analyser (if a dispose method is declared, but the class doesn't implement IDisposable, it should warn). They said no. I think Rider does it though!

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@khalidabuhakmeh @davidwengier Nice. I know so many people that have been bitten by it, and there's probably a Plethora of memory leaks in place today because people don't realise.

Here's the issue that MSFT nope'd.... https://github.com/dotnet/aspnetcore/issues/40638

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@davidwengier @khalidabuhakmeh Thanks. Or maybe Javier should have redirected the issue instead of just closing it.... 😉

I don't care any more though because VS for Mac is dead, so the fact that Rider warns me solves the issue. Feel free to raise on my behalf though!

khalidabuhakmeh, to dotnet
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Hey folks, actually any folks, what do you think the “future" of software development practices and tools will look like in 5 years?

I'd love to hear your thoughts.

damselfly,
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@khalidabuhakmeh Hoping I'll have retired by then, so won't care. 😉

But given that not much has changed in the last 20 years, probably similar to what we have today.

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@khalidabuhakmeh Nothing of consequence. Once you've been in software for 35-40 years like I have you realise there's very little that's new under the sun.

Computer graphics are better, and compile times faster.....

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@khalidabuhakmeh @maartenballiauw I did pair programming in my first job in 1993....

damselfly,
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@khalidabuhakmeh @maartenballiauw No, in the same room. We didn't have video calling in those days.

Does that make a difference?

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@khalidabuhakmeh @maartenballiauw True. But again, I worked in a team split between London and NYC in 1998.

I guess my point is, some of the ways we do things change. Cellphones were brand new when I started work. But really, nothing changes, it's basically the same, but with different or better tools.

damselfly, to blazor
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Anyone got any ideas why I can't debug my app in @JetBrainsRider on MacOS?

It's a hosted WASM app, running 8 RC2. If I use 'run' it starts fine, but if I choose 'debug' I get this odd URL, and then an error.

Debugs fine in VS for Mac. Any ideas?

(cc @khalidabuhakmeh)

image/png

damselfly,
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@khalidabuhakmeh But..... How does one set the url/port then?!

Anyway, I'll have a play.

damselfly,
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@khalidabuhakmeh Nope, it's a standard MSFT way to do it. App.Urls is the standard way per their docs.

Rider should support this, really, since VS for Mac and VS for Windows do.

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@khalidabuhakmeh And env vars are evil.

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@khalidabuhakmeh Have a look at this issue: https://github.com/dotnet/aspnetcore/issues/43703 - you found and suggested the fix last time (!!!).

Also mentioned here: https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/aspnet/core/fundamentals/servers/kestrel?view=aspnetcore-7.0#get-started

I think Rider should probably work with this way of configuring URLs.

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@khalidabuhakmeh The reason I have that line is because the port defaults to 6363, but can be overriden be users by specifying it on the command line. I don't want to have to deploy a config file etc. I don't want to use env vars. As far as I've found, there is no other way to have the port configured via the command line.

For the moment I've pushed a change to that branch which disables that line when the debugger is attached. Seems to work.

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@khalidabuhakmeh This is useful, thanks.

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@khalidabuhakmeh I'll give it a go.

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