futurebird

futurebird, 1 year ago (edited 1 year ago)

@TruthSandwich @SoftwareTheron @floatybirb

Assuming capitalism is inevitable, unchangeable and the best we can do is just as bad. You are eliminating a whole universe of solutions because you've bought in to the propaganda from people who benefit from the current system -- who are just trying to preserve their disruptive pockets of wealth.

Wealth is a bad way to allocate that much power.

futurebird, 1 year ago

@floatybirb @TruthSandwich

If we adjusted how corporate charters work the first one could be do-able. And it's possible to have a mixed economy of private, public and worker-owned companies-- which could be interesting.

futurebird, 1 year ago

@TruthSandwich @floatybirb

"Oh, look, you stooped to insult and got blocked. Shocking."

futurebird, 1 year ago

@TruthSandwich @bitpickup @CStamp @floatybirb

You think co-ops aren't anti-capitalist.

Have you tried running one in the US?

futurebird, 1 year ago

@TruthSandwich @floatybirb

I wasn't blocking you I was just repeating what you said to someone else earlier.

futurebird, 1 year ago

@TruthSandwich @floatybirb

So is not owning a car.

futurebird, 1 year ago

@TruthSandwich @bitpickup @CStamp @floatybirb

You are the one saying the capitalist country where people are screwed over isn't an example of capitalism screwing people over.

futurebird, 1 year ago

@jrm4 @TruthSandwich @SoftwareTheron @floatybirb

Making people drop the word is the point of this muddling games.

It's a useful word.

futurebird, 1 year ago

@TruthSandwich @joesabin @SoftwareTheron @floatybirb

Are you concerned those people people are reading my posts?

futurebird, 1 year ago

@TruthSandwich @jrm4 @SoftwareTheron @floatybirb

Did you just say that leftists saying they don't like capitalism is a slur like the n-word?

Really?

futurebird, 1 year ago

@TruthSandwich

I'm not talking about who you should vote for. I assume you can tell that one party is less destructive than the other.

I'm glad there are people invested in the advertising, branding and marketing required for political campaigns. (I'll even help out if something material is at stake.)

But I think the whole process and the framing is an insult to the true spirt of the democratic process. It's all about "messaging" -- so we end up as little brand ambassadors for Democrats.

futurebird, 1 year ago

@TruthSandwich

Do you think there are any political issues or philosophical issues worth discussing that aren't electoral politics?

Also, what AOC says doesn't matter. No matter what she says some people will hate her with the fire of 1000s suns.

She could do a musical number about how much she loves capitalism and the needle would not move.

Media loved the idea of "death by gaff" based politics... but I never really bought in to it. And it's basically dead.

futurebird, 1 year ago

@TruthSandwich

Are you trying to be passive aggressive? I'm not great at picking up on subtle nastiness.

futurebird, 1 year ago

@scm

"Love it or hate it, let’s at least rein it in before it makes a few people so rich they might as well be kings and queens."

I've got some real bad news, Steve.

futurebird, 1 year ago

@TruthSandwich

You think AOC is such a person?

Why?

futurebird, 1 year ago

@TruthSandwich

Hating politicians is a waste of emotional energy.

futurebird, 1 year ago

@TruthSandwich

neoliberals gave themselves that name. It describes moderate liberals who want to grow the economy by limiting social welfare. It's a program of generally liberal social policies with a deliberate pull back from labor unions and the social programs of midcentury.

How on earth is that a slur?

Granted many people think it's been a failure and we don't want to see more of it. But again... how is that a slur?

futurebird, 1 year ago

@TruthSandwich

I think of "rejecting democracy" as:
-supporting gerrymandering
-trying to make it harder to vote
-getting elected then not doing what you promised your constitutes

Things like that. Can you be more specific about what she's done? I don't really see her as that different from other Democrats, although she seems to do a better job of listening to younger voters and that's who elected her.

futurebird, 1 year ago

@TruthSandwich

Biden has not been as much of a neoliberal as previous Democrats. He's been a lot better than his record would have suggested, although this is on a US scale. In many other parts of the world he'd be kinda conservative.

futurebird, 1 year ago

@TruthSandwich

"Reagan was a neoliberal. Thatcher, too."

Also. I totally agree. But... why are you using a SLUR?

futurebird, 1 year ago

@stopthatgirl7

I think it's because he's been talking to me and I'm black. That's what it looked like in this context.

Though I kind of hope not. I'm so tired of being disappointed in people.

futurebird, 1 year ago

@TruthSandwich

Please don't do the internet lawyer thing about this.

You don't care, so I get you now. There really isn't anything else to discuss.

futurebird, 1 year ago

@floatybirb @TruthSandwich

I don't call myself a socialist, or anything really. Is there a word for being someone who is just curious what we could accomplish if everyone really had a (small pro - proportional) say in how things were done?

The more we drift away from that ... the more people get harmed ignored and exploited.

futurebird, 1 year ago

@escarpment @ceoln

For most of us it'd be the same.

But you might not be able to buy Twitter, for example, because co-ops would be more popular and the employees would own it.

But also twitter would have never had such fancy offices or as much money.

This is this idea of making some changes to how corporate charters work, to incentivize not-for-profits (not just as tax shelters please) and co-ops too.

The phase in would be a 20 year time span.

futurebird, 1 year ago

@escarpment @ceoln

Excellent questions.
I don't have every answer. I just want to see more people having a say in the way things are run-- because I think we'll learn a lot and just... do a better job.