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selzero, to opencourselectures in Special relativity and steps towards general relativity - Wikiversity
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@spaduf @boud it is pretty much here isn't it?

selzero, to technology in Greg Rutkowski Was Removed From Stable Diffusion, But AI Artists Brought Him Back - Decrypt
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@aredridel @doug

As part of my AI Postgrad Diploma I created a model out of lung X-Rays that can detect disease with a single image, within seconds with negligible compute, which would make it possible for hospitals worldwide to replace a costly and resource intensive process, with a cloud upload of a single image. At the time I was just learning, and it took me a couple of weeks. Here in Cambridge there is a whole medical tech sector developing similar every day. AI is already saving lives.

selzero, to technology in Greg Rutkowski Was Removed From Stable Diffusion, But AI Artists Brought Him Back - Decrypt
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@aredridel @doug

All of these are valid arguments that should be discussed and formulated.

I'm happy to do so, and I agree there are pitfalls to navigate. There are points I'll have to conceed.

As long as we are not outright raging against any use of AI. It is a really powerful tool, and is already vastly benefiting mankind.

Right now I have to get back to work because this code won't complete itself... Yet.

HAL from 2001

selzero, to technology in Greg Rutkowski Was Removed From Stable Diffusion, But AI Artists Brought Him Back - Decrypt
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@aredridel @doug

It definitely IS a tool!!

And we can use the tool!

Just because some dickhead wrote Mein Kampf doesn't mean we should stop using books.

So, we are agreed. Machine Learning shouldn't be unethically sourced. No one is debating that.

What is your problem with people using it once it is ethically sourced?

selzero, to technology in Greg Rutkowski Was Removed From Stable Diffusion, But AI Artists Brought Him Back - Decrypt
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@aredridel @doug

The point is you guys are against machines creating art assets.

So in my Bomberman clone example, what is the problem if all the art used was created by the team making the game?

Why can't I use machine learned deviations of it?

It's the same as training an intern to do it.

But 1000x faster and the intern can learn something better.

selzero, to technology in Greg Rutkowski Was Removed From Stable Diffusion, But AI Artists Brought Him Back - Decrypt
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@aredridel @doug

I am not using any of that.

I'm using data sets specifically licenced for machine learning training.

Usually by merging data sets made public by academic projects.

Or I make my own.

The sample set is smaller but there are techniques that I use to circumvent that, by creating in between objects from the available objects.

It is entirely plausible to create ML models ethically. I do it all the time. This is not the point.

selzero, to technology in Greg Rutkowski Was Removed From Stable Diffusion, But AI Artists Brought Him Back - Decrypt
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@aredridel @doug

Not true.

Who is being exploited?

Also, I am by no means a Billionaire.

I'm a Marxist FFS.

selzero, to technology in Greg Rutkowski Was Removed From Stable Diffusion, But AI Artists Brought Him Back - Decrypt
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@doug

Mario Kart WOULD be better with 1000 unique tracks.

selzero, to technology in Greg Rutkowski Was Removed From Stable Diffusion, But AI Artists Brought Him Back - Decrypt
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@doug

No I wouldn't. This is also why I don't use GitHub and similar code repositories that are used to train AI.

It's also why I source my data ethically from sources that agree to allow ML training.

But the ethics of data collection is another issue, let's not get side tracked.

My point here is that there is no reason to be puritan over an asset being created by a neurology or a silicon chip.

selzero, to technology in Greg Rutkowski Was Removed From Stable Diffusion, But AI Artists Brought Him Back - Decrypt
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@doug

Again you are adding a narrative that quality suffers.

It does not. 🤷

selzero, to technology in Greg Rutkowski Was Removed From Stable Diffusion, But AI Artists Brought Him Back - Decrypt
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@doug

Not at all.

AI is already productive to a high standard.

The last product I sold that included AI models I delivered to DisneyLand (for the Avatar movie attraction) and last month won an award.

It is being used everywhere.

So, the point remains, what is wrong with using it to make tile sets for my Bomberman game?

selzero, to technology in Greg Rutkowski Was Removed From Stable Diffusion, But AI Artists Brought Him Back - Decrypt
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@doug

Ok so let me give an example.

I'm making a game. Let's say it's a Bomberman clone. My artists have made a bunch of ground and block tiles. They worked a whole week and we have 5 levels.

We then use AI to create tile maps that are deviations from that 5, and get to 1,000 levels in an afternoon.

The game benefits hugely from the deviations.

Why is this in any way bad, immoral, or rude?

selzero, to technology in Greg Rutkowski Was Removed From Stable Diffusion, But AI Artists Brought Him Back - Decrypt
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@doug

Not a belief, my understanding of neurology and the psychology of creativity.

Our perception of "an original thought" doesn't come into our mind through some alien ray introducing ideas.

It is the culmination of our experiences, consumed ideas, exposure to other concepts, etc etc that we form and shape, and create new different instances.

There is nothing metaphysical or mystical happening here.

selzero, to technology in Greg Rutkowski Was Removed From Stable Diffusion, But AI Artists Brought Him Back - Decrypt
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@doug @aredridel @glenatron @raccoona_nongrata @fwygon

Imagination IS the processing of retained information to create a derivative.

selzero, to technology in Greg Rutkowski Was Removed From Stable Diffusion, But AI Artists Brought Him Back - Decrypt
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@doug @aredridel @glenatron @raccoona_nongrata @fwygon

So Doug what you are saying is one of these things takes in external data, processes it, synergies it, and exports a derivative version, and the other thing is the machine?

No wait, the other thing is the human?

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