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strypey, to fediverse in There is a drop in monthly active Lemmy users (from 65k to 57k)
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@regalia
In either Lemmy algorithm, only communities that Server Y knows about can be featured on the front page of Server Y, right? Which as I said, is also going to benefit larger communities, as they're more likely to have members on more servers, and will therefore be featured on more front pages.

strypey, to fediverse in There is a drop in monthly active Lemmy users (from 65k to 57k)
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@regalia
> I believe “active” sort has comments bump put an entire post

So a new comment in a thread bumps the OP to the front of the queue?

> The “hot” algo is slightly more complicated that factors in votes

Ah, right. I hadn't considered that. "Votes" in Lemmy are essentially the same as "Favourites" in Mastodon, but I think the Masto devs made an intentional choice not to increase visibility of posts based on number of Favourites.

strypey, to fediverse in There is a drop in monthly active Lemmy users (from 65k to 57k)
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@regalia
> I recommend actually looking at what it looks like on the site, it’s extremely different then how it looks on mastodon

Yes, I'm familiar. I've been following Lemmy development for several years, as part of research for fediverse.party. That's the background to my comments about the algorithm determining what appears on a Lemmy front page.

If you're proposing that there's a more complicated algorithm at work, what do you think it is?

strypey, to fediverse in There is a drop in monthly active Lemmy users (from 65k to 57k)
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@regalia
> Are you replying from Mastodon right now

Yes. Here's the post you just replied to, on the public-facing web page of the Mastodon server I use:

https://mastodon.nzoss.nz/@strypey/110943135468924731

strypey, to fediverse in There is a drop in monthly active Lemmy users (from 65k to 57k)
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@regalia
> the algo for active/hot favor large communties, so smaller ones tend not to show up on the front page

I presume it's the same as what determines which posts appear on the front page of a Mastodon server; chronological order of posts. That would favour the larger communities, since people post there more often.

The other limiting factor, I presume, is a Lemmy server only knows about the communities its accounts are members of. Larger communities will have members on more servers.

strypey, to fediverse in There is a drop in monthly active Lemmy users (from 65k to 57k)
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@regalia
> our algo doesn’t do a good job of promoting smaller communities

Lemmy has an algo for that?

@SupraMario

strypey, to fediverse in Sup is a New Messaging App by the Creator of Pixelfed
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@deadsuperhero
> development of a Go-based backend implementation, Dendrite

Also Rust-based homeserver implementations like Construct and Conduit. Both of which are usable, although missing a few nice-to-have added features. Eg Conduit is still working on;

"E2EE emoji comparison over federation (E2EE chat works)... Outgoing read receipts, typing, presence over federation"

@Terevos @Samsy

strypey, to fediverse in Sup is a New Messaging App by the Creator of Pixelfed
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@deadsuperhero
> the reference implementation everyone uses by default is known to be bloated and slow, and poor at scaling

This doesn't seem to stop the fediverse growing (cough Mastodon cough).

@Terevos

strypey, to fediverse in Sup is a New Messaging App by the Creator of Pixelfed
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@smileyhead
> But noone figured out how to prevent that in federated systems

You've basically got a choice been a centralised service where metadata can be limited but E2EE is mostly pointless (you have to trust the service operators' E2EE deployment), or a decentralised network where E2EE is reliable, but it's harder to limit metadata.

Which one is best depends on the situation/ threat model.

@AngryDemonoid

strypey, to fediverse in Sup is a New Messaging App by the Creator of Pixelfed
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@timbuck2themoon
Matrix apps are far from perfect, but its dev community at least care about improving HX and it shows. In my experience, the XMPP dev community (with a few notable exceptions like the ModernXMPP folks) insist on seeing their HX fails as features not bugs. They expect people to stop expecting 21st century chat apps, and embrace 1990s retro.

I've used XMPP since then (I'm still strypey@jabber.org), and all I can say is, good luck with that.

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@poVoq @Lucia

strypey, to fediverse in Sup is a New Messaging App by the Creator of Pixelfed
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@timbuck2themoon
> there are so many standards and every server isn’t guaranteed to implement them

This is just one of dozens of HX fails that leave XMPP unusable for anyone who isn't ideologically committed to using it.

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= Human eXperience

@poVoq @Lucia

strypey, to fediverse in Sup is a New Messaging App by the Creator of Pixelfed
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@SatyrSack
> What’s updog?

Nothing new dog, what's up with you? : P

@ZILtoid1991

strypey, to fediverse in Sup is a New Messaging App by the Creator of Pixelfed
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@deadsuperhero
> I’d really love to see a “modern” WhatsApp-like take on an XMPP messenger, but I haven’t found any

Have you looked at @snikket_im ?

@poVoq @lps

strypey, to fediverse in There is a drop in monthly active Lemmy users (from 65k to 57k)
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@Rambi
> but how come your username says @null?

No idea. Maybe a bug in your app? Maybe something to do with the fact I'm posting from a Mastodon server rather than Lemmy server?

strypey, to fediverse in Should we decide to have a main fediverse community or should we keep posting everything twice?
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@theKalash
>.You can have the same community on different instances

Has anyone checked in with the devs about whether this is intended? Sounds like a bug to me.

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