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akovia

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Maximilious,
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As a two week user, this is my experience. There is also no way to collapse comments... Yet. Someone has wonderfully coded it and shared with the devs but it has yet to be pushed to the main branch yet.

With the huge influx of users this past month they are in triage mode. Just please be patient with the product, Reddit was new at one point too!

James Cameron reacts sub implosion: 'I'm struck by the similarity of the Titanic disaster itself' (www.youtube.com)

Film director James Cameron has expertise in designing and testing these submersibles, and he has many criticisms of the design of the sub that imploded, and of the hubris of the CEO who ignored repeated safety warnings from the diving community. He also mentions that the sub seems to have been attempting to resurface when it...

Epilektoi_Hoplitai,
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Hubris is the word.

The CEO Stockton Rush, just off the top of my head:

  • Fired his own director of marine operations for formally reporting “numerous issues that posed serious safety concerns". These included that the viewport was only rated to 1,300 meters, the carbon fiber hull had flaws which gave it the potential to fail, and that the hull integrity monitoring systems installed in response "might only provide 'milliseconds' of warning before a catastrophic implosion".
  • Refused to submit to an industry certification process for the sub, despite being warned in an open letter with dozens of signatories that failing to do so risked "negative outcomes (from minor to catastrophic)".
  • Denounced the laws regulating submarine tourism as having "needlessly prioritized passenger safety over commercial innovation".
floofloof,

Denounced the laws regulating submarine tourism as having “needlessly prioritized passenger safety over commercial innovation”.

He was a consistent Republican donor, apparently, so probably a devotee of the "regulations are holding back innovation" religion. In other words, "I want to cut costs and make more profit, so I'd rather risk people's lives than spend money to protect them."

Kichae,

This. Reddit is going a Reddit thing right now with quirky protests. It's fun. It's engaging.

But Reddit is actively making its website and its apps worse. They're not profitable, and they know launching an IPO while in the red is going to make them less money than if they're in the black. They're going to try and squeeze that extra value out of users.

Spez has been making shit decisions because the company's backers want to move quickly to sell. They no longer seeing their investments pan out over the longer term, and now seems like the best time to get off of this train. The curent AI hype means that they can pitch Reddit's business model as a mix of ads and selling their backlog of user content for language model training.

But he's also been making shit decisions because he's believed that Redditors are a captive audience. That they have nowhere else to go. That's exactly what it looked like 3 weeks ago.

That is no longer true. There are now multiple active alternatives for people. None of them need to have 50 million people on them, they just need content, and that content is starting to flow. This means Reddit isn't sticky anymore. People will move away over time as they further enshitify the site.

Reddit hasn't been shot in the head. It won't die immediately. It has cancer.

SpermKiller,

Recent developments are just another indication of the power struggle happening between Reddit and its most dedicated users. Reddit needs free content and moderation to exist, yet it doesn't want to give those critical players real control of site policies, even though they are largely responsible for much of the site's content and value.

Finally an article that goes a little further in details about how important good mods are for reddit.

Sordid,
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The free work Reddit moderators do has been valued at $3.4 million annually

That seems an extremely conservative estimate to me. The linked article says:

The team recorded the work done to keep 126 subreddits moderated for an average of 142 days, and analysed automated logs generated whenever the 900 human moderators took an action.

In total, more than 800,000 actions were recorded. Some actions contained full timestamps of when work began and ended; others only contained a single timestamp – for removing a post, say – and so the time taken was estimated at what the researchers believe is a lower bound.

The median amount of time any individual spent working daily is 10 seconds, but the top 10 per cent of moderators spent between 3 and 40 minutes working for Reddit. Two in every three actions were taken by the top 10 per cent of moderators.

There's a major problem with this methodology, which is the assumption that a moderator is not working unless they're taking an action. But that's not the case, is it? Sitting around keeping an eye on things and not doing anything because no action is currently required is still work! Just like a security guard. You pay them for all of the 8 hours they spend watching your stuff every day, not just for the thirty seconds a month spent actually apprehending thieves.

According to this Reddit post, there were over 70K moderators on Reddit six years ago. Even if they were only paid the US minimum wage of $7.25 per hour and each of them on average only spent fifteen minutes a day keeping an eye on things, it would still cost Reddit almost fifty million dollars annually. And that's based on a number that's six years old, which is certain to have grown a lot since then.

So yeah, Reddit is benefiting from free labor a lot.

Gordon_Freeman, (edited )
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZsboyfs-L4

Althought is applied to videogames it does a good joob explaining how it is possible retain anime style using 3D assets (CGI) yet almost nobody does it, too much work

Alkalyon,

I have already sent a GDPR request to Reddit and they refuse to comply.

I asked them to delete everything they have about me, including my account and they told me that I need to login into reddit and ask it from there which:

  1. I don't have to since GDPR says that I can even do it verbally and I don't even have to write to a specific email, I can just let any employee of that company that I want this and they should honor it.
  2. They straight up don't even have the option to delete your data there, since I requested for the complete erasure of my data as that is also in my rights.

Reddit literally refuses to comply with GDPR rules and tonight after work I am going to lodge a formal complain about GDPR violations as I do have proof of this in my emails.

Fuck Reddit I hope it crashes and burns.

EnglishMobster, (edited )
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Lemmy very much tries to be "federated Reddit". It's Reddit as it was in 2010ish, and that's all it tries to be. And that's fine, but it limits the development of what the Fediverse is. You can use a Mastodon account to browse Lemmy, but you can't use a Lemmy account to browse Mastodon (and the devs aren't planning on adding it - I asked).

Kbin, however, looks at things from a different perspective. On Kbin, you have both threads and microblogs. This replicates modern Reddit's ability to post to your own profile, except instead of going to some user subreddit that nobody reads - it's treated like a post on Twitter or Tumblr and shared more widely. You can follow people on Mastodon from Kbin, and vice versa. There are plans in the future to support more things that make the Fediverse great - you can read the roadmap here.

Note Kbin as a project is less than a year old, and this "main" server only came online a month ago. Until very recently it was just ernest talking to himself... this amount of growth wasn't planned for!

Long-term, Kbin will be somewhere that connects the Fediverse platforms - you won't need a Mastodon account and a Pixelfed account and a PeerTube account. I really like that approach. Rather than trying to do one thing to the detriment of everything else, it goes beyond just a Reddit clone and is also its own thing. That's why I joined; it's a completely different approach to how the Fediverse should be interacted with.

BaldProphet, (edited )
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There's a definition disconnect happening between Reddit refugees and more experienced Fediverse users. Identical terms seem to have different meanings here:

Reddit: Kbin/Fediverse

Post: Article or Thread
Top-level comment/thread: Post
Comment: Post
Microblog (No real Reddit equivalent, profile posts maybe)
Subreddit: Magazine
Upvote: Boost

Thus, making a new "post" is called creating a new "article", while making a top-level comment (starting a new "thread") or response to that article is making a "post". Any other comment is also called "posting".

It's confusing as heck, but it's natural that a different social media ecosystem would have different terminology.

Bubbline,

Yes please Discord, it is so worrying how everyone has all their private messages and content in an unencrypted app owned by a corporation who gives 0 shit about privacy. They won't even delete your messages if you delete your account/leave servers / get banned. In fact there is no way to delete all your messages

Rakust,

Maybe the tech slowdown is a good thing. Maybe the internet is healing

On Reddit and it’s federated rivals, Lemmy and kbin (www.jayeless.net)

As you may have heard, Reddit’s decided to pull a Twitter and start charging an extortionate amount of money for access to their previously-free API, in order to drive third-party clients like Apollo and RIF into extinction. Under Reddit’s proposed pricing, …

symfonystation,
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@tojikomori This 1000%.

tojikomori,
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Because they're both part of the Fediverse, Lemmy and Kbin do federate with each other. You can follow Lemmy "communities" in Kbin, and Kbin "magazines" in Lemmy, and I believe other Fediverse groups (like Frendica groups) also federate.

I've been leaning into this from Kbin, as a way of dipping into communities on Beehaw and other Lemmy instances while keeping my distance from Lemmy's devs.

I have one concern. As we're seeing with Reddit, it's a huge effort to move internet communities. If Lemmy-the-app becomes untenable even for more reasonably admin'd instances, then the most obvious solution won't be to fork Lemmy (a huge undertaking) but rather to move to an app that's maintained by more reasonable people. That's probably going to involve a messy migration, some data loss, some loss of community, and some dead links.

I'll keep using Kbin as a way of tapping into existing communities, but when it comes to building new ones I'd much rather see it done on kbin.social or other Fediverse instances where there's no long-term dependency on Lemmy's devs.

tojikomori,
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The linked article summarizes the problems in the paragraph starting "I've been aware of Lemmy for a long time". For an alternative view: the Fedi.Tips account on Mastodon – typically a cheerleader for all apps of the FediVerse – shared some more pointed words about them in this thread and reiterated the warning just yesterday after noticing the Lemmy team's successful recruitment campaign on Reddit.

I was one of the people they recruited, and ran into problems myself only after signing up at lemmy.ml and being surprised by the amount of CCP propaganda posted there. At first I thought it was strange that I was being downvoted for pointing it out, and that the devs (also admins of that instance) ignored/downvoted me when I flagged the issue for their attention. After researching a bit, I found that Lemmy's basically developed and maintained by two people, both of whom seem to be westerners fetishizing Mao Zedong Thought – literally to the point of writing lengthy apologetics for the CCP's human rights abuses including the Uyghur genocide.

They're clearly skilled engineers, but I can't trust or support them, and relying on instance of Lemmy means I'd have to do both.

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