simon,

Those damn lazy immigrants only want to exploit us! We can’t accomodate them all!

(I hope it’s clear that this is a joke)

Gawanoh,

/s is easier to point out it is a joke

hardypart,

Muss gerade an diesen Bericht von kürzlich denken, ebenfalls vom glorreichen Business Insider:

businessinsider.com/us-germany-relocation-america…

Lustiger Kontrast.

3l3s3,

Generell lustiger Artikel, danke.

sab,
sab avatar

"We live in a small German town called Otterberg" had me laughing out loud.

I was wondering where she could be living - maybe Munich or some other city in Bavaria, where people are not exactly known for warming up easily on foreigners (read: people from more than 20 minutes away). But no - she's living in Otterberg. Hilarious.

ChojinDSL,
@ChojinDSL@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

Was für ein dämlicher Artikel. Wäh, wäh, ich wohne in einem kleinen Dorf und habe nicht Zugang zu allen Modern conveniences wie in einer grossen Stadt. Wäääh… Echt, jetzt?

kilgore,

Haha genau das habe ich beim lesen gedacht. “Warum hilft mir denn keiner? Ich vermisse Walmart!” lol

3l3s3,

Mein Highlight war dass sie einen schlechten job hat bei dem sie in einer schwachen Währung Geld verdient aber Deutschland ist teuer.

NorskSud,

Moving abroad is always challenging and not for everyone, some people can’t adapt to a different way of life.

Felix,

I mean. At least the americans speak and write the better english. There’s just something about british pronunciation and spelling which makes it feel ugly.

raz0rf0x,
@raz0rf0x@pawb.social avatar

If you understand that the high salary is to meet the high cost of living in the United States then you’ll understand that it isn’t a pay cut. Take that one step further and consider the fact that the higher cost of living does NOT come with a higher quality of life in the US.

iamyourunspokenmind,

Honestly, I moved to Germany two years ago, and I would only go back if my family needed my help in the US. Life feels a lot easier, and more comfortable. Yeah, the winter sucks, but even then I’m outside more than when I lived in the US.

dercybercop,

There is no bad weather, just bad clothes.

McJonalds,

how are you cold? just put on another layer B)

dercybercop,

You must dress like an onion.

sic_1,

Oh I don’t need clothes to look like one.

iamyourunspokenmind,

I’ve found that that’s actually very true.

Opafi,

What’s wrong with winter?

iamyourunspokenmind,

Since I came from a very dry, hot area, I’m not used to such long winters, weather that cold, and days that short.

AlexisFR,
@AlexisFR@jlai.lu avatar

IDK, does the salary deficit makes up for it?

varsock,

look at it this way, necessities in USA are largely out of reach (health care, education, housing, funded retirement) and luxaries are easy to come by (phones, sneakers, branded clothing, streaming etc).

Whereas in Europe, the necessities are much more attainable for the population at any income bracket. Do you have much more “free cash”? No. Do you need it? No, you have a social safety net.

Even vacas in Europe are cheaper bc for an American to travel to Europe is very expensive by means of airplane. In Europe you can take a high speed train and be in any climate.

On the topic of trains, Public transit is more efficient there than it is to drive cars in the states. Imagine not having to buy a ~$30k car every 10 years? Not to mention fuel and maintain it.

GrayBackgroundMusic,

I’d do it if I could afford it or was younger. Honestly wish I had. The sacrifice now, with family and kids, is too massive.

Arayvenn,

Yeah it’s very attractive but not the easiest to obtain citizenship.

NorskSud, (edited )

That depends a lot of the country. In some EU countries is rather easy and cheap.

ori,

As a former EU citizen (UK, thanks Brexit) which countries do you think it is easy? I don’t think it is, I believe there is Malta where you can literally buy a passport and Portugal that has some lax visa laws. But gaining citizenship isn’t necessarily an easy thing to do.

Mkengine,

You are correct with Portugal, I found this on some website:

Portugal is, overall, the easiest country to get citizenship of the EU.

That’s due to the following factors:

<pre style="background-color:#ffffff;">
<span style="color:#323232;">Short residency period of just five years before applying for citizenship
</span><span style="color:#323232;">One of the world’s most powerful passports
</span><span style="color:#323232;">Range of flexible visa options to suit remote workers, retirees and investors
</span><span style="color:#323232;">Dual citizenship OK – keep your original passport
</span><span style="color:#323232;">Easy language requirements – A2 elementary level
</span><span style="color:#323232;">Access generous tax benefits while counting up the years to citizenship
</span><span style="color:#323232;">Reasonable minimum stay requirements
</span><span style="color:#323232;">What’s more, Portugal has one of Western Europe’s lowest costs of living
</span>
NorskSud,

Citizenship is easy to get once you already live in the country, not just Portugal, Luxembourg is probably easier even, the language requirement is a low level of Luxembourgish. Of course for that you first need residency. In Portugal is again easy, as long as you have a job contract, Portugal has probably the most liberal migration laws in the EU right now (yeah, wages are low).

Portugal nationality for non-residents is easy as long as you can prove a family connection, that can be a Portuguese granparent or Portuguese Jewish roots (they can be 5 centuries old, is a compensation for inquisition, but you must be able to prove it, a Portuguese Jewish surname helps).

reedthompson,

Portugal’s population is getting smaller each year as natives relocate to other parts of Europe where they can earn a living wage. It’s got it’s own problems, one of them being real estate is too expensive for people born in the country (thanks in part to wealthy immigrants). Regardless, their policies welcome immigration, unlike most countries.

ori,

Yeah, I believe they are tax friendly to remote workers and you can get a visa to remain if you’ve got assets that generate €7k income a year.

I’d say it’s still not an easy task to get an EU passport. I’d definitely takes quite a commitment at least.

oscar_falke,

I heard it’s easy for both Ireland and Italy, if you have some sort of ancestry from there. But that’s a big if.

Arayvenn,

Do you have any examples? I thought even the more lenient ones require you to study there for 5+ years or work in some highly sought after sector.

InternetPirate,

America becoming a third world country.

Pinto23,

Always was

(••) (••)>⌐■-■ (⌐■_■)

woobwub,

If only they would leave their political affiliations and a few bad bits of their culture in the US too, that’d be great. They’re otherwise very welcome here, as is anybody else who wants to embrace the European lifestyle and integrate, Iranian, Afghan, Australian, Kenyan, Brazilian, Turkish, whatever.

AToM_exe,

And only the poor and/or uneducated will stay behind. The USA is going down fast.

Regelfall,

The educated are paid way more in the US. Americans buy houses and stuff. Unimaginable for most Europeans who don’t get to inherit one. Also Europe is on the decline. Due to terrible demographics mostly.

albert180,

Not everyone wants to live in a dystopian country. Yes you earn more but everything is also more expensive and things like decent public transport and not to see misery everyday are also nice

Cobrachicken,

Please don’t forget healthcare, where you might need that plus money instantly.

Anekdoteles,

Buying a house in a soulless suburb and living on the driver’s seat of a car staring at nothing but other cars and concrete? No, thanks. I believe in the inherent superiority of urbanity.

3l3s3,

Also a house that is made of paper

NorskSud,

“Terrible demographics” will ensure bigger inheritances to Europeans…

Sethayy,

Honey what, you seen the housing market recently?? Fuck I’d trip and break my arm and get the Honor of being a slave to the system for the rest of my life

Watson,

Americans buy houses and stuff. Unimaginable for most Europeans who don’t get to inherit one.

I’ve got bad news for you. The median income-housing ratio is going down on both sides of the pond.

Agree with the rest though.

Vince,

I don’t think that’s really true. The US is still the largest economy and attracts many educated and highly skilled people in the tech sector.

Certain parts are declining for sure, but I don’t think that applies to the whole country.

AToM_exe,

That’s what I mean. The middle class is shrinking to non-existent. The few that can afford to jump out of it do it and only someone who can live really well in the USA would consider going there.

The USA will become a land of the rich and poor. No more middle-class.

skellener,
skellener avatar

❤️

Saneless,

A lady I work with in the Netherlands sent me an email Friday. I responded and got an OOTO message saying she’s out till 7/31

Definitely jealous

pepperonisalami,

I’m in Asia and receive OOTO emails all the time, meanwhile we work even during holidays 🙃. A co worker is a Chilean, and during her 3 weeks leave to go back home after years of not taking any leave, she worked day and night, slept only 3 hours the whole stay. We Asians were successfully brainwashed into the hustle culture

Hyperreality, (edited )

It's a thing I like about Germans. They tend to be more strict about working hours than other EU countries, let alone somewhere like America.

I worked in the Netherlands for a while, and we'd get loads of German visitors. When we were nearing closing time, we'd often have German visitors going "It's his 'Feierabend'(end of day). He can't help you anymore". Especially when they had a problem that would last till after closing time to solve. And then when you told them "no, no. It's fine." they were genuinely grateful. They didn't expect you to work, when you were no longer being paid to.

You shift starts. You work. Your shift ends. You are no longer working.

The unsurprising result: experts often say German workers outperform American workers. Turns out strictly enforcing working hours, allowing workers to recuperate when they're not on shift, means they end up working harder when they are on shift.

RedditExodus,
RedditExodus avatar

I worked for the US division of a German company and found that the culture even for the US workers was very respectful of time off and appropriate working hours. I hated the job because I was customer facing and our customers were typically large US companies, but the German company was a great company to work for.

ghariksforge,

When America sends its people, they’re not sending their best.

Eisenhowever,

I get the reference, youre not alone

topperharlie,

as an European I have to say:

please stop advertising this, they will all come here with their American dreams and turn Europe in USA.

I’m yet to see two of them actually connecting the dots between the “American dream” and the horrible labor laws. They want the wellbeing we have but they also want the rampant capitalism, they think “socialism == communism”

Garzak,

That’s a weird take on the subject, most American I’ve met or worked with where surprised but happy about our ways.

We might have met totally different kinds of people.

HenriVolney,

I think you should take the time to actually talk to people rather than throw rancied judgments all around

Watson,

Clumping 332 million people together and expecting that they’re all the exact same.

Come on, buddy.

ramin_hal9001,

I wouldn't worry too much about that. The most reactionary people in the US, those who think socialism is communism and horrible labor laws are "freedom," are too heavily indoctrinated into their own little death cult. They honestly believe there is no country more free than the US and are genuinely fearful of the idea of living anywhere else, they would never move to Europe.

People who live in reality, on the other hand, see how horrible it has become in the US and are looking for a real "land of opportunity," where you do not have to be a willing slave to capital in order to have the right to the basic necessities of life. They are fully disillusioned with the "American dream," and so are more open-minded toward socialism, and are more willing to agree that maybe most countries in Europe provide them with real, actual freedom far more that what they have living in the US.

This has been my experience with immigrants from the US, anyways (and, full disclosure, I am an immigrant as well, just not in Europe).

Squiglet,

Wow you’re generalizing way too much! An American that had the will to move out of the US is proof enough they think differently, probably. Give them a chance.

Tyrannosauralisk, (edited )

American here - this stuff is actually widely known and accepted among our progressives, who are the people most likely by far to leave.

We just get fucked out of political power at the federal level by the outsized representation of small-population, rural, die-hard-conservative states. For example if the presidency was by popular vote we likely wouldn't have had a Republican president since 93 which would have made the supreme court liberal by 8-1.

At the most fundamental level, the US political system just wasn't built to handle the increasing rural/urban population disparity, and at some point things will need to change. What that change looks like is anybody's guess. One scenario is that with the economic failure of the backwaters, plus the housing crisis and additional automation, it becomes economically feasible to just build/buy enough housing in the backwaters to be able to have a controlling share in the vote. Which obviously sucks in a lot of ways but it might be the solution with the lowest barrier to entry.

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