rysiek,
@rysiek@mstdn.social avatar

Oh my Dog, @baldur yet again hits multiple nails square in their heads:
https://www.baldurbjarnason.com/2024/react-electron-llms-labour-arbitrage/

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> Tech management will sacrifice technological progress – performance, design, and general product effectiveness – if it disempowers labour.

> If you’re unlucky enough to have to use any of this garbage we’re shipping and calling ‘software’, now you know why it all feels a bit shit.

> This is what unions were made for

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18+ trebach,
@trebach@functional.cafe avatar

@rysiek @baldur The concepts go way back to at least 1776 in The Wealth of Nations:
> A key requirement for effective labour arbitrage is that the employees can be treated as interchangeable, well, components. Jobs that require expertise lend themselves less to arbitrage than jobs that don’t.

"Secondly, the wages of labour vary with the easiness and cheapness, or the difficulty and expense, of learning the business.
[...]
When any expensive machine is erected, the extraordinary work to be performed by it before it is worn out, it must be expected, will replace the capital laid out upon it, with at least the ordinary profits. A man educated at the expense of much labour and time to any of those employments which require extraordinary dexterity and skill, may be compared to one of those expensive machines. The work which he learns to perform, it must be expected, over and above the usual wages of common labour, will replace to him the whole expense of his education, with at least the ordinary profits of an equally valuable capital. It must do this too in a reasonable time, regard being had to the very uncertain duration of human life, in the same manner as to the more certain duration of the machine.
The difference between the wages of skilled labour and those of common labour, is founded upon this principle." (Book I, Chapter X)
Labour arbitrage: "What are the common wages of labour, depends everywhere upon the contract usually made between those two parties, whose interests are by no means the same. The workmen desire to get as much, the masters to give as little, as possible. The former are disposed to combine in order to raise, the latter in order to lower, the wages of labour. [...] There are certain circumstances, however, which sometimes give the labourers an advantage, and enable them to raise their wages considerably above this rate, evidently the lowest which is consistent with common humanity.
When in any country the demand for those who live by wages, labourers, journeymen, servants of every kind, is continually increasing; when every year furnishes employment for a greater number than had been employed the year before, the workmen have no occasion to combine in order to raise their wages. The scarcity of hands occasions a competition among masters, who bid against one another in order to get workmen, and thus voluntarily break through the natural combination of masters not to raise wages."

jhwgh1968,
@jhwgh1968@chaos.social avatar

@rysiek @baldur 💯

Excellent long-form description of something that's been trying to coalesce in my head for some time

Hence my attempt to get the internet to agree to coin a concise version of this as Datskovskiy's Law:

"Employers much prefer that workers be fungible, rather than maximally productive"

Source: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=69

baldur,
@baldur@toot.cafe avatar

@jhwgh1968 @rysiek That’s absolutely it in a nutshell.

tanepiper,
@tanepiper@tane.codes avatar

@rysiek @baldur as someone who's had to write some stuff in React recently - one dependency upgrade broke the whole pipeline again and I'm tempted to just throw it all away and redo it in Svelte again and not give a flying fuck about the design system for that tool.

sun,
@sun@shitposter.world avatar

@rysiek @baldur using LLM quite effectively thank you

clacke,

@sun "You can argue about productivity and “progress” all you like, but none of that will raise you back into [Baldur's] good opinion." 😊

rysiek,
@rysiek@mstdn.social avatar

@sun

> I absolutely do think less of you for using them. (You can argue about productivity and “progress” all you like, but none of that will raise you back into my good opinion.)

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