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”To the extent that nature is imagined as a mere machine, and mind is imagined as this external observer upon that machine, … we're going to have a merely external view of something that also has an inside. And if we can't include the contributions at the causal level of that interiority, then we're only goding to be understanding nature in terms of finished form, and we're going to lack an understanding of nature as a process of formation. And we can understand the mineral world, the inorganic physical world, decently well just as a bunch of finished forms. It's why math works so well in physics, but to try to understand the living world—whether single cells or plants or animals or human beings—just as a collection of finished forms, obeying fixed laws, doesn't work. So until we can cultivate this other way of knowing, and see how we can participate in the the formative process, I think we're going to be locked into a very limited form of science, that's not only limited in the sense of not letting us fully understand how nature works, but it's limited in the sense that through its technological applications we're actually destroying the world.”
—Matthew Segall
https://youtu.be/UoHTxPPWcCY?feature=shared&t=4329

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