This seems sussy. Half this person’s posts are slams on Biden and there are comments like this song is “fire”.
It is in fact not fire. It’s edgy but the composition is lacking soul. It’s just a convoluted, non provoking edge piece. I don’t find it thought provoking or relatable. It’s just a bunch of political references thrown together.
Just your opinion. I thought it was a great summary and relevant message with the recent protests, plus the very public message that he’s not voting for Biden over this. If anything I’d call it a bit cheesy, but definitely not edgy. But Macklemore is a little cheesy so it works.
Not voting for Biden when the only other viable option is a fascist seems a bit like edge lord bullshit to me, but idk, maybe I’m out of touch with slang
Supporting a genocide massively unpopular with your voters when your opponent is a fascist seems a bit like establishment entitlement bullshit to me, but idk, maybe I’m out of touch with slang.
Biden knows what he needs to do to salvage his election, but the whole ideology behind this stubbornness and heavy police crackdown on protests is based on the fury Important People feel when they’re told to do something by their inferiors.
Also Macklemore lives in Seattle, so it doesn’t matter who he votes for.
Liberals: leftist Lenny instances are simultaneously so strong they determine the outcome of a national election yet so weak that they are fringe ideologies and nobody in real life thinks like that
Really not a good look when you continue to align more and more with fascists, as liberals always do when faced with fascism
No no. It can’t be that fascists have solidarity and a good chance to win. Or that reasonable people are rightfully worried. Everyone you disagree with, or who calls you out for being self sabotaging, is a “dumb liberal”. Very mature.
The poster didn’t say the phrase “dumb liberal”, they said that liberals are siding with fascists which they absolutely are with their unwavering support for our president funding a genocide and repeating the lies that campus protests are anti-Semitic.
Reasonable people are worried and make a plea to “please think of the women who will need abortions”. Or better yet, are out organizing with empathy. But zero votes will be gained by castigating people online, especially on a topic where Biden is well outside of the Democratic mainstream.
Fascist-aligning liberals, like the account above, don’t really care about results just that the people they dislike will get hurt. He’s absolutely giddy at the idea that the (at worst, immature and misguided) lefties will get more jackboots when Trump wins. He was probably watching the BLM crackdowns with glee too. They have a lot in common with groups like the Proud Boys for whom politics is more about seeing power exerted on the people who annoy them than any real policies.
This account joined Lemmy 10 hours ago to call the youth brainwashed and rejoice that Trump will make the cops even more violent. Why are you defending them?
Reasonable people are worried and make a plea to “please think of the women who will need abortions”. Or better yet, are out organizing with empathy
Nice straw man. What does it have to do with absolutely anything? That doesn’t contradicted for an age anything I said.
Fascist-aligning liberals, like the account above, don’t really care about results just that the people they dislike will get hurt.
The exact same thing can be said for those who are pushing for perfect over the best of what we’ve got. Nothing I said was an endorsement of the person above the person I replied to. Your reading that in yourself. I’ll check on what you said. I don’t think I upvoted or down voted them either way. But if it checks out I will definitely make sure it gets it down vote.
Maybe leave the tone policing to when they aren’t correctly calling a spade a spade? They were responding to a comment directly demonstrating a fascist-aligning liberal. You didn’t need to dig into their history to scope them out, the source post was directly saying the exact same thing the fascists say: “I can’t wait until Trump’s cops give the lefty malcontents something to really cry about”.
Sometimes the worst guy you know still has a point. He’s not wrong that a lot of the angst and hyperbole around Biden. He himself literally can’t divest from Israel or stop the weapons all on his own. That’s a Congress thing. Though he was an absolute dumbass to expedite them. Is turning a lot of you against the only better option we have. Even if it’s not that much better. Regardless thank you for proving my points.
The point you think he has is you’ll be happy when the hippies get punched? There wasn’t a good point by a bad person there, the fascist-aligning liberalism was the whole comment.
Tell me which part of “Imma laugh when all these Never Biden goofs elect Trump again and cry when he actually Does crack down” resonated with you in particular?
“Fucking centrists” isn’t name-calling, it’s an extremely appropriate labeling of the ideology, spoken with disdain.
And you literally called me “grad”? Which like, is it so hard to believe that leftists just exist and aren’t in these random instances you’ve decided to hate? And even if I was, why would that matter? Like idk much about lemmygrad except apparently there are leftists there and people hate them. It’s not insulting just confusing for me and embarrassing for you.
It’s literally the definition of name calling grad.
And you literally called me “grad”?
Glass houses grad. Glass houses. You come in throwing stones you don’t get to whine and pretend to be the victim when someone responds. This is literally what you did last time grad. And is the whole reason I call you grad, grad.
Which like, is it so hard to believe that leftists just exist and aren’t in these random instances you’ve decided to hate?
No not at all. But you only confirm it’s what you are by being so upset about it grad. And for the record I don’t hate them. I absolutely dislike them. They aren’t leftists in any meaningful sense. They are authoritarians. And would destroy the lives of or slaughter those that disagree with them as happily as any capitalist would.
Is “centrist” insulting to you? Why do you align yourself with politics whose very basic descriptor draws out this much vitriol?
Again, I’m not insulted by you calling me grad because I don’t really know much about it and only hear about it from pissed off conservative Dems/centrists. Anything they hate is bound to be kinda good lol. What I feel is more like the bemusement/pain you feel watching Michael Scott.
No. “Centrist” is not insulting to me. Because even as a leftist I can and do regularly work with and discuss things with centrists all the time. They can be as rational and reasonable as anyone else when they’re being sincere.
But I think it’s very deceptive, insincere and telling how you edited your own statements. Because you didn’t just say centrists. What was the word you used before? It wasn’t and endearing word. Definitely the sort of word someone would use in a hateful venomous way, oh yeah fucking.
Getting upset being called out over it. And then pretending to be upset or not knowing what it even is doesn’t work kiddo. And now you can add the fact that you’ve been told about it by a social libertarian / Anarchist as well. By again grad.
Because even as a leftist I can and do regularly work with and discuss things with centrists all the time. They can be as rational and reasonable as anyone else when they’re being sincere.
Wut? Centrists define their politics around triangulating between the two parties, without regard to how one is diving headlong into fascism. I can believe a self-described leftist passionately defending moderate Democrats, but no, centrists are scum basically by definition, because their politics are half-defined by worse scum. It’s not about sincerity, it’s that they don’t even have a functional belief system to convert. The best thing you can do to move a centrist is pull people with an actual ideology left.
Wut? Centrists define their politics around triangulating between the two parties
American political centris? Unfortunately far too often than not that’s true. But that’s not necessarily what I was talking about. Politics also exists outside of america. And even then just because someone thinks of themselves as centrist. Doesn’t mean that they are a horrible or bad person either. Most times when it comes to people in America they are simply ignorant and don’t think much about it. And if you engage with them in good faith you can honestly have some pretty productive discussions. Something you can’t get with say Marxist leninists.
Just going to offer you some advice like you did in your other reply. I don’t know why you’re defending another troll. Whore is a known quantity. Who will not engage in good faith and largely participate in name calling. You should not be defending them or arguing for them. This is the second account of theirs I’ve blocked at least. And I know they have others but they’re waiting to troll on. I just haven’t blocked them yet.
Did you reply just to feel better about yourself or for attention? I really don’t understand your point. No one said anything to you and yet you seem so offended for something that never even applies to you. Don’t take this personally, friend, but that behavior’s kind of pathetic, imo
The online left is all sockpuppets and indoctrinated children, they should be ignored. But they’re also the critical votes that cause Democrats to lose elections. But we should under no circumstances try to do anything to please them, that would be worse than losing.
Is lemm.ee the edgy radical centrist instance now? I feel like I remember there being some sort of “free speech” movement toward it a while back and now half the time someone makes a comment about how the left is the real problem, send in the National Guard, it’s a lemm.ee user.
I think it is a travesty our two party system has left voters with this the traumatic decision of supporting genocide or assisting a rise of authoritarianism. That is beyond fucked up. This is the quintessential Hobson’s Choice. It’s okay if people stay out of this vote, imo. It’s not 2016. There are other world issues besides american freedom. And people are not bad people for being unable to support either side. No one is winning come November, no matter what. We’re deciding who suffers.
This is not what society was for. We did not invent agriculture and schools and crawl out of the hellish nomadic life of our animalistic ancestors for THIS. This is all bad. What do we do???
I’m going to vote Biden. Lesser of two evils and all. NOT voting for either isn’t going to make me feel like i sidestepped any responsibility for travesties. But i can completely understand wanting to obtstain this time around.
I can’t, with a straight face, say, it’s okay if people stay out, but I can say I completely understand why they would.
I can’t imagine hard it must be for uninformed people to figure out what’s true at this point. I was able to do it, imo, during the early days of youtube when there wasn’t nearly as much misinformation, or straight-up fascist propaganda like there is nowadays, flowing freely. Now, I legit don’t think I could do it starting at 18 with the clear understanding that I was being lied to and misinformed by supposed experts - really just pundits on corporate media networks.
No one is winning, but staying out of the election means you’re ok risking the life of every woman, every trans person, every immigrant, and every person of color in the US. If Trump gets in, anyone who isn’t a white, cishet, Christian man is at risk of violence or death.
I will be holding my nose to vote, I fucking hate Biden, but he’s the only realistic chance we have at stopping homegrown genocide. If Trump gets in, I’m immediately looking for a way out before the gestapo can get to me.
That said, if we survive this election, we have to strategically topple the shit system that caused this scenario
Voting biden doesn’t guarantee avoiding those things either, trump may still win. What it does guarantee if biden wins though is more financial aid for Israel. Just because someone refuses to pull the train lever and switch tracks to run over the person tied on the other tracks does not mean they don’t care about either persons lives. It’s an unfair request. I understand that you are personally closer to what’s happening in America, but I hope you can open your mind enough to see that there are other lives on the line as well and that yours isn’t any more important than theirs.
You’re delusional if you don’t think Trump is going to carte blanche Israel. He literally said they have to get the job done. He’s shown more support for Israel than Biden has. I would not be surprised if he gives Bibi the go ahead to nuke Gaza.
Voting for Biden doesn’t guarantee a Biden win, but not voting pushes the scale towards a Trump win. One of these two Zionist fossils is becoming president one way or the other, and both of them are going to send millions of taxpayer dollars to a genocidal maniac. The goal with voting is to minimize the amount of damage they can do.
Trump hasn’t won a single election yet, and continues to lose support through attrition by the day. He had as many votes in 2016 as he will ever have, and he lost by 3.5 million votes.
2020 he lost by 8.1 million votes, not even the electoral college felt they could overturn that one.
Unless some third party candidate comes out of left field, and manages to be as popular as Bernie, then a Trump trouncing is all but inevitable come November. I wouldn’t be at all surprised if he loses the popular vote by a full 15 million votes this time. However if a third party candidate like that appears, Trump wins. Not Biden.
They haven’t had the time to produce more Trump voters so attrition is all that their roles are seeing.
That being said, they will kick you off the registered voting records for absolute BS. Ensure you are registered, register for mail in if you can. Make your voice heard. The right always does, and they are always the minority.
Also that being said, the last 4 elections, both Presidential and Mid term, have all seen a dramatic rise in voter turnout. Hopefully that trend continues till we hit 99.999999% of the vote. I don’t believe it is actually possible to get that high, and 100% is certainly unattainable because there are people that refuse to vote no matter how easy it is for them to do so.
… every trans person, every immigrant … anyone who isn’t a white, cishet, Christian man is at risk of violence or death.
this rings so hollow because i lived as a target of biden’s votes & support of laws against lgbt people for decades and biden opportunistically switched sides LONG after public opinion changed and he is still literally imprisoning immigrants fleeing persecution like the person who i built a life with before he got deported also because of biden’s votes.
it sucked trying to make a life during that time and it’ll suck again under trump, but i’ll still be alive to try; which is much better than the people in gaza will get either way.
Honestly, the size of lemmy.world kinda negates the benefits of federated social media. Instances are supposed to be small so as to be more manageable to moderate, so that you don’t have to defederate with every instance with a slightly different background.
The defederation campaigns from about 8 months ago ended up narrowing the spectrum of users and content along a pretty specific political line, and that means that certain political topics get a pretty drastic misrepresentation of opinions. Lemmy.world in some ways became defined by those disagreements, and so any time a topic approaches that line you get a crowd of people trying to enforce the distinction.
Other instances (even the ones lemmy.world ended up defederating with over political disagreements) have far more varied opinions on the exact topics that .world seems really uncomfortable with.
Are the defederation campaigns the reason people call me lemmygrad? I only joined a month ago and people hate me for existing and not repeating their echo chamber.
edit: just noticed you said ‘deconfederation’, and idk if that was intentional but it’s actually 'defederation. Deconfederation makes it sound like it was a civil war (maybe that’s an apt description though…)
Yup. The use of ‘lemmygrad’, ‘hexbear’, ‘tankie’ (at least it’s frequent usage on lemmy.world) all stemmed from that tumultuous time just after the reddit migration where the various instances were fighting over politics. It’s a deep lore and maybe even a bit more complicated than I alluded to, but that period has definitely left its mark on the community.
Other instances are much better, but because lemmy.world is so large and their communities attract the most activity, they kinda set the tone for the whole lemmy/kbin activitypub implementation.
Even if simplified, thank you for explaining! I wonder if mastodon has had a similar thing happen … (I was never much of a Twitter user so I never became active). Like, is this a result of the fediverse in general or just something unique to Lemmy
I’m on both; this is a pretty lemmy-specific thing. I think it stems from people who migrated from reddit into a platform that was already being used by groups with a much stronger left-lean. If you’ve been on reddit you might be able to guess: they did not cope with that well.
I think the real moderation should always be happening at the community level. Admins should only be influencing accounts doing illegal or immoral stuff and through their general tolerance for trollish behavior. The same stuff applies to the communities though. I like that there are multiple “politics” communities so you can choose your flavor of community moderation, but there’s certainly a tendency to just assume the biggest is the “real” one.
I think what Lemmy needs to solve this issue is being able to easily tie in the comments from all the cross-posted subs you subscribe to, then assuming say someone subscribes to politics on .world, .ml, and beehaw, you can get all the flavors without one set of mods or users being able to define the whole Lemmy “politics” culture. And if one flavor annoys the shit out of you, you can just unsubscribe from that one and not have it be part of your experience.
No, it’s just that they don’t want to hear it from you. There’s a reason you get torn up every time you post your anti-Biden propaganda.
It’s because you’re about as transparent as they come. And this is as far as I can get to explain it because we’re not allowed to actually accuse you of what we see you as here.
I can hope a) the Biden camp sees the catastrophic toll of unconditional support for Israel and b) voters see the potentially catastrophic toll of a second Trump presidency at the same time.
Right, but one is hoping for thousands of people to not act like people, that is emotionally to issues that effect them, and the other one is hoping for a small group of people who have shown a history of bowing to pressure continue to do so. It’s much more realistic and a better avenue of effort.
If trump wins, there will be no more Palestinians. Not in the Gaza strip at least. Israel will be free to take over all disputed territories and they will. Bibi is doing everything he can to make sure trump wins.
By the time Trump would take office, if Biden doesn’t change course and get tough on genocidal maniacs, Gaza will already be gone. They’re starving right now. Their infrastructure is gone and half their homes are unlivable. This isn’t a “seven months from now” problem.
I don’t think anyone should actually refuse to vote for Biden (in a swing state, if you’re solid blue/red do whatever the fuck you want), but if threatening to do so changes his course of action now, that can save lives. I firmly believe Biden is only where he is now because the antiwar campaigns are working and he’s scared about his weak polling.
Maybe he just doesn’t have as much to lose as the rest of us…
i’ve lost my livelihood 3x because of biden’s anti-lgbt votes & anti-lgbt support; with #4 on the way; and will suffer more under trump as a non-white non-hetero non-christian; i still think macklemore is in the right here.
You’ll note that I didn’t say he’s wrong. Just that the Trump cabal will come after all of us. You should pay close attention to the words people choose in the future.
It’s honestly depressing. This is very easily the most right-wing/centrist social media site I use. I love the format of reddit, but hate the redditors. I thought Lemmy would be better but it’s not. And it’s not just that people disagree, they call everyone who disagrees a bot/troll/shill etc, and they freak out if you use swear words like… it’s the worst of tone-policing and performative liberalism all in one place.
I kinda want to start a ShitLemmySays lol, that was easily the best part of Reddit when they were active.
I want to believe it’s partially to do with the election coming up in the US, but the early infighting cut pretty deep, I don’t know that the political toxicity will ever completely go away.
Well keep in mind that a lot of Lemmy users (Lemmings? Lemmites? Lemmitors?) are from Reddit now. They are slightly more anticapitalist and anti-corporation, but otherwise, a lot of us are basically Redditors who took over this similar social media site.
i agree and like @archomrade i too have been depressed at the large number of center-right users on a platform built by tankies for all leftists.
as a fellow reddit refugee i’ve been wondering if the reddit refugees were the reason for it and, now that someone else agrees, i know i’m part of the problem.
I still think this place better than Reddit, though. I think a lot of the good users left, even if a majority weren’t politically aligned with original Lemmy. I browse through Reddit front page links when I’m bored at work, but I rarely find good stuff in the comments like I used to. It’s just mean and toxic, or vapid and pointless.
Are people really ignoring everything else the guy said just because he said he wouldn’t vote for Biden? That’s fuckin wild; I can’t imagine being so closed-minded
Yeah I don’t really listen to Macklemore much. More of my partners thing, and like you, I listen to Doom, Kendrick, Tyler the Creator, old-school Kanye before he lost it, Wutang Biggie, etc. He rhymes pretty well and has some pretty sick raps. Seattle home town hero.
I liked Otherside (the Ryan Lewis remix version) back in the day. Vipassana (remixed version) and Wings were also pretty good. A lot of his stuff is a bit cheesy. I think this track is ok (seems a bit rushed out and flawed). I disagree with the strategy of not voting for Biden in the presidential election though. I think he’s a sincere dude that just likes making tracks about his political beliefs, and possibly to “educate” his listeners with some songs.
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