Just like the Bitwarden app on Android, the Proton Pass one sits in the background to help with auto-fill on any browser form, irrespective of which browser it is.
Lies, there’s no Linux app yet. As usual, Proton Inc continues to treat Linux users as third-class citizens, all whilst claiming they care about privacy and security.
I’m using the browser add-on in Linux across all my browsers. I do have the Bitwarden app for Linux, but to be honest I never open it as it is a pain to have to open a separate app, and then copy and paste. Isn’t it just more seamless to let it replace the browser password manager on Linux? If I want to tidy up my Bitwarden vault, I also do that in the browser.
Passwords are used in more places than just browsers though. If there wasn’t any need for a dedicated app, why did they bother making one for Windows?
But personally, I dislike Bitwarden as well. I prefer KeepassXC instead, as it works fully offline and I don’t need to depend on a cloud-based provider (or spin up a server). The best part about KeepassXC is that it supports auto-typing credentials, so you don’t need to copy-paste - and it works across a multitude of apps, such as remote desktop / terminal sessions.
I have the app and the browser extension. I usually open the extension and copy from there rather than use the app for things outside of the browser. It’s just quicker.
This is what I do as well. I always have Firefox running and can easily search the extension for whatever password I need and it is just as easy to copy from there as opening another tool.
That being said the iOS app is great for when I am away from my laptop.
Devops here. I use the 1Password cli constantly to feed auth tokens and passwords and identity overrides into other shell commands. I’d lose my shit if I had to keep opening my browser to login to all my various workflows. The CLI even integrates with biometrics so my hands never leave the keyboard
Yes. My personal vault is Bitwarden and my work vault is 1Password. It’s actually nice they are separate so I have a hard mental context switch. If I want to do something to my personal services, it’s a different set of commands to inject my tokens than my work ones and not something easier to leave on like an env var to target a different profile
Ah, nice! Yeah, I have a seperate KeepassXC on my work Mac, so the ones on my Linux desktop never touch. I do sync my general Obsidian notebook back and forth which is nice. Client specific notes stay seperate due to NDA’s. It’s easier having to seperate devices with a KVM.
The official ProtonVPN app on Linux has a lot of problems, like a memory leak that exists since years now. At least for me, only the cli without graphical interface works (but does so very well after some tinkering). The lack of Linux support (especially no Linux app for the drive) has frustrated me to the point I am regularly questioning my Unlimited subscription. But I agree in general, you can get around a lot of the Linux limitations by using browser extensions like the ProtonVPN one. And overall the addition of new services and great security outweighs the lack of Linux support.
There is zero support for drive under Linux which is the major reason I haven’t migrated my workspace org yet. I’d like to ditch Google, but I automate backups with rclone to gdrive and that workflow can’t currently be replicated under proton
If you use an IMAP email client the ProtonMail Bridge works great on Linux. VPN works well from the command line, though the GUI is still pretty clunky and RAM heavy and either way they really need to make Wireguard and Stealth available on Linux already.
Not really. They are very similar, but I prefer Tutanota because of the $1/m subscription they used to offer. I don’t feel as if $4/m is worth it for email. At the end of the day, it’s really just personal preference.
I agree, the VPN app is just awful, and now drive will take forever to arrive on Linux, probably with a half assed version too.
I don’t know what they have multiple apps, just create one app for everything, mail and calender bridge and sync. A VPN makes sense to be separate, but that can be included too.
Though mail + Simplelogin + VPN(just using the wireguard config) is a killer combination, now with Pass being almost ready to use, proton Unlimited is a very good subscription.
I've been testing Proton Pass and it's decent. It misses a few things I've learned to enjoy with other managers.
First, the manager I use has the ability to store identities. This is great for keeping things like medication lists, social security numbers, insurance numbers, etc, of family members. I could, of course, put all that into a "note" in proton pass. But it's very convenient to have ready built items for structured data like that.
Second, Credit Cards. I like to store my credit card information in easy to copy entries as well. Again, I could use a note for that, but the manager I use has ready made items for that structured data as well.
Lastly. This is kind of the no-go for me. I already don't like that I can't have separate passwords for my Proton Mail, Drive, Calendar, etc. Sure, I'm kind of used to that functionality in Google from years past, but I don't like it. Now I'd have to put all my passwords under the same single login? No thank you.
Currently, email recovery is impossible with my password vault. I simply have that option disabled. External 2FA is required. If you break into my email, that sucks, but you won't get my passwords for literally everything else. Basically, I have my password vault as secure as I can make it and keep cloud accessibility. Moving to Proton would weaken my security posture.
But if Proton gave me the ability to put the password manager under a separate login with full 2FA support and NO email recovery. I'd be relieved of that concern.
You could add a yubikey authorization. Doesn’t solve the single sign on, but gives you more security that somebody would need your hardware key as well as the account password
Same for me. I use protonmail and used protonvpn for a while, but putting all my eggs in the same basket... I will keep using other providers for my other stuff.
Yeah I'm quite tempted to get on board with Proton as they could replace Tutanota, Bitwarden, Nord VPN and One Drive/Google Drive for me. Seems convenient and privacy focused but obviously all my eggs in one basket seems like something I might come to regret.
Same here. I'm fine using Proton for my mail & drive, but I also like keeping my passwords separate in bitwarden, and my 2fa separate in my raivo. A healthy separation is good.
The CIA-funded companies are quite easy to spot since they publically support US-backed coups out of nowhere seemingly for no reason.
Edit: here’s an example. Notepad++ has a version named “Stand with Hong Kong”. They were later found to have a CIA backdoor in one of their DLLs.
Proton also openly supported the HK riots, which were US backed. youtu.be/XoyGc41wcwc
They (Proton) are a Taiwanese company and raising money for HK riots and blogging about supporting them is extremely uncharacteristic of one. They are not willing to stick their necks out like that. They’re ultra conservative when it comes to PR and marketing.
In fact, I dare anyone here to find any other Taiwanese company that did/does such a thing.
it’s not technically self hosting (and i don’t really want to do that) but i’ve had my own domains since the last 90s and dreamhost since 2007 and i don’t even need gmail or another email service. it’s nice.
You can also buy a domain name and get cheap email hosting. Less annoying than what I hear proton is. My hosting uses Titan Mail, they’ll occasionally pop up about a new thing they’re working on but I can just be like “no thanks” and they go “cool.”
any service that grows enough will become a google there is no way around it. I cant imagine a situation where half the world uses an email server and governments dont fall on it
Basically an advertisement for their services, but since they’re shitting on Google’s ad revenue model I’m all for it.
I will not shit on Google completely myself though, because I do appreciate (other than a few naughty shenanigans they’ve pulled recently) their work on the Android kernel.
This is honestly what puts me off using Proton. They advertise way too much and way too aggressively. It’s just a bad vibe for a company that’s trying to set itself up as an alternative to Google.
I use Tutanota but I’m looking to find something else because I’m sick of platforms that lock you into their ecosystem, and the fact they don’t provide any means of using other mail clients like Thunderbird has become a deal breaker.
Problem is there doesn’t seem to be consensus on third place.
They advertise way too much and way too aggressively.
I understand your feeling, but I think massive advertising is needed. This is high level marketing, basically telling the general public there is another way other than big tech. Most people don’t know this to know there are options to choose…so they don’t.
I understand your feeling, but I think massive advertising is needed.
Why is it “needed”?
This is high level marketing, basically telling the general public there is another way other than big tech
Why do they care about attracting all these people?
Every one of them increases their operating costs, and doesn’t provide revenue if they stay in the free tier. Why do they want to increase their numbers so badly?
Why isn’t it enough to just make a good product and let that be what brings people in?
The only reason for this kind of aggressive advertising is because they’re making a push for growth. They want to become one of those “big tech” companies.
Let me be clear, I’m not shaming them for advertising their services. But I’m uncomfortable with the scale and aggression with which they do it. They are putting money into this, and a lot of it. It’s not like they’re a non-profit, the end goal is pretty obvious here.
We’ve been through this before with so many other tech companies, Proton will be no different. It’s just entering the honeymoon phase, is all.
Completely self serving though. Mobile is a personal data goldmine and Google gotta dig into that one way or another and if folks can contribute to that side with bug fixes, great.
And Facebook has some of the best open source work of all time, from the react ecosystem to making php feasible, to LLMs. There’s certainly a ton missing and a lot of it is for their own products, but some of it goes far beyond their own needs
Facebook also did unethical human testing and debatably broke democracy and the social fabric
Just be even handed. Praise the good, denounce the bad, and keep in mind these are monstrously large companies and the people that did the good probably have little to do with the ones that did the bad
Google shouldn’t get a pass because they bought Android and only partially used that ownership to control the ecosystem and push their own products
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