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Norgur, to technology in Proton Pass now supports passkeys on all devices and plans: Beating Bitwarden to mobile devices
@Norgur@fedia.io avatar

Vaultwarden is completely in my hands though

danie10,
@danie10@lemmy.ml avatar

True, just hope they eventually get passkeys for mobile.

sugar_in_your_tea,

If you’re on Android, you could probably use the Firefox extension.

danie10,
@danie10@lemmy.ml avatar

Just like the Bitwarden app on Android, the Proton Pass one sits in the background to help with auto-fill on any browser form, irrespective of which browser it is.

d3Xt3r, (edited ) to technology in Proton Pass now supports passkeys on all devices and plans: Beating Bitwarden to mobile devices

all devices

Lies, there’s no Linux app yet. As usual, Proton Inc continues to treat Linux users as third-class citizens, all whilst claiming they care about privacy and security.

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Edit: They don’t even have a macOS app yet lol.

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danie10,
@danie10@lemmy.ml avatar

I’m using the browser add-on in Linux across all my browsers. I do have the Bitwarden app for Linux, but to be honest I never open it as it is a pain to have to open a separate app, and then copy and paste. Isn’t it just more seamless to let it replace the browser password manager on Linux? If I want to tidy up my Bitwarden vault, I also do that in the browser.

d3Xt3r, (edited )

Passwords are used in more places than just browsers though. If there wasn’t any need for a dedicated app, why did they bother making one for Windows?

But personally, I dislike Bitwarden as well. I prefer KeepassXC instead, as it works fully offline and I don’t need to depend on a cloud-based provider (or spin up a server). The best part about KeepassXC is that it supports auto-typing credentials, so you don’t need to copy-paste - and it works across a multitude of apps, such as remote desktop / terminal sessions.

BassTurd,

I have the app and the browser extension. I usually open the extension and copy from there rather than use the app for things outside of the browser. It’s just quicker.

SmoothLiquidation,

This is what I do as well. I always have Firefox running and can easily search the extension for whatever password I need and it is just as easy to copy from there as opening another tool.

That being said the iOS app is great for when I am away from my laptop.

fishpen0,

Devops here. I use the 1Password cli constantly to feed auth tokens and passwords and identity overrides into other shell commands. I’d lose my shit if I had to keep opening my browser to login to all my various workflows. The CLI even integrates with biometrics so my hands never leave the keyboard

jelloeater85,
@jelloeater85@lemmy.world avatar

Have you used KeepassXC or BitWarden? Just curious.

fishpen0,

Yes. My personal vault is Bitwarden and my work vault is 1Password. It’s actually nice they are separate so I have a hard mental context switch. If I want to do something to my personal services, it’s a different set of commands to inject my tokens than my work ones and not something easier to leave on like an env var to target a different profile

jelloeater85,
@jelloeater85@lemmy.world avatar

Ah, nice! Yeah, I have a seperate KeepassXC on my work Mac, so the ones on my Linux desktop never touch. I do sync my general Obsidian notebook back and forth which is nice. Client specific notes stay seperate due to NDA’s. It’s easier having to seperate devices with a KVM.

jelloeater85,
@jelloeater85@lemmy.world avatar

I tried their mail app, it’s Electron garbage. I love all their other stuff tho.

TBH KeepassXC + SyncThing is superior in every way.

possiblylinux127, to privacy in The EU Parliament has taken a stand for privacy | Proton

That’s good

reflex, to protonprivacy in Proton Pass is open source and has now passed an independent security audit
reflex avatar

Side question because I'm migrating to Proton now.
Free account.

I found the tasks to double storage for Proton Mail and Proton Drive—am I missing any other freebies like this?

Nelizea,

No, doubling the storage to 1GB is the only freebie like that currently

Eeyore_Syndrome, to protonprivacy in Proton Pass is open source and has now passed an independent security audit
@Eeyore_Syndrome@sh.itjust.works avatar

Lack of Linux support for their apps for me is a reason I’d still only ever pay for premium mail from Proton.

I’m still on Bitwarden because linux support.

Mugmoor,
@Mugmoor@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

What benefits do the apps have over the browser extensions? ProtonVPN has a Linux package at least.

munter, (edited )

The official ProtonVPN app on Linux has a lot of problems, like a memory leak that exists since years now. At least for me, only the cli without graphical interface works (but does so very well after some tinkering). The lack of Linux support (especially no Linux app for the drive) has frustrated me to the point I am regularly questioning my Unlimited subscription. But I agree in general, you can get around a lot of the Linux limitations by using browser extensions like the ProtonVPN one. And overall the addition of new services and great security outweighs the lack of Linux support.

Mugmoor,
@Mugmoor@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

That’s very unfortunate about the Drive app. I just configure OpenVPN on my Linux servers.

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  • Mugmoor,
    @Mugmoor@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    Just what I’m used to. Wireguard would be the better choice.

    liara,

    There is zero support for drive under Linux which is the major reason I haven’t migrated my workspace org yet. I’d like to ditch Google, but I automate backups with rclone to gdrive and that workflow can’t currently be replicated under proton

    Espi,

    I thought Proton doesn't have a drive app for any platform. The WebUI is the only way to use it.

    liara,

    They’ve released a Windows app and Mac OS is in beta. Linux is not happening anytime soon

    MediaActivist,
    @MediaActivist@lemmy.ml avatar

    Ah darn. I had believed it would be arriving later this year.

    Grangle1,

    If you use an IMAP email client the ProtonMail Bridge works great on Linux. VPN works well from the command line, though the GUI is still pretty clunky and RAM heavy and either way they really need to make Wireguard and Stealth available on Linux already.

    daredevil, to privacyguides in Introducing the Proton Drive Windows app
    daredevil avatar

    Even though this is a nice development, I'm pretty disappointed in the resources directed at Linux support. I'm considering dropping Proton soon.

    kostel_thecreed,

    Proton is a shit-hole except for it’s email - and even then it’s barebones. Consider switching to Mullvad for a VPN, it’s incredible with linux.

    gamedeviancy,
    @gamedeviancy@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

    Imo tutanota is better, if you don’t use rest of their products, are there any advantages of using protonmail instead of tutanota?

    kostel_thecreed,

    Not really. They are very similar, but I prefer Tutanota because of the $1/m subscription they used to offer. I don’t feel as if $4/m is worth it for email. At the end of the day, it’s really just personal preference.

    dAMHfR4xwgGH1w2DihUOo2nY,

    mullvad vpn is just better

    daredevil,
    daredevil avatar

    How so, if I may ask

    dAMHfR4xwgGH1w2DihUOo2nY,

    Their Linux support is second to none and they’ve got a really nice credit system.

    daredevil,
    daredevil avatar

    You've piqued my interest, thanks for the tip.

    federal_explorer,

    I agree, the VPN app is just awful, and now drive will take forever to arrive on Linux, probably with a half assed version too.

    I don’t know what they have multiple apps, just create one app for everything, mail and calender bridge and sync. A VPN makes sense to be separate, but that can be included too.

    Though mail + Simplelogin + VPN(just using the wireguard config) is a killer combination, now with Pass being almost ready to use, proton Unlimited is a very good subscription.

    NotASnek, to privacy in Proton officially launches Proton Pass

    I've been testing Proton Pass and it's decent. It misses a few things I've learned to enjoy with other managers.

    First, the manager I use has the ability to store identities. This is great for keeping things like medication lists, social security numbers, insurance numbers, etc, of family members. I could, of course, put all that into a "note" in proton pass. But it's very convenient to have ready built items for structured data like that.

    Second, Credit Cards. I like to store my credit card information in easy to copy entries as well. Again, I could use a note for that, but the manager I use has ready made items for that structured data as well.

    Lastly. This is kind of the no-go for me. I already don't like that I can't have separate passwords for my Proton Mail, Drive, Calendar, etc. Sure, I'm kind of used to that functionality in Google from years past, but I don't like it. Now I'd have to put all my passwords under the same single login? No thank you.

    Currently, email recovery is impossible with my password vault. I simply have that option disabled. External 2FA is required. If you break into my email, that sucks, but you won't get my passwords for literally everything else. Basically, I have my password vault as secure as I can make it and keep cloud accessibility. Moving to Proton would weaken my security posture.

    But if Proton gave me the ability to put the password manager under a separate login with full 2FA support and NO email recovery. I'd be relieved of that concern.

    BCsven,

    You could add a yubikey authorization. Doesn’t solve the single sign on, but gives you more security that somebody would need your hardware key as well as the account password

    Borgzilla, to privacyguides in Proton Pass is now available
    @Borgzilla@lemmy.ca avatar

    I’m pretty sure the app is great, but I am not a fan of putting all my eggs in the same basket. I will keep using Bitwarden for the time being.

    Easy_Fox,
    Easy_Fox avatar

    Same for me. I use protonmail and used protonvpn for a while, but putting all my eggs in the same basket... I will keep using other providers for my other stuff.

    TheZoltan,
    TheZoltan avatar

    Yeah I'm quite tempted to get on board with Proton as they could replace Tutanota, Bitwarden, Nord VPN and One Drive/Google Drive for me. Seems convenient and privacy focused but obviously all my eggs in one basket seems like something I might come to regret.

    Borgzilla,
    @Borgzilla@lemmy.ca avatar

    At the end of the day, they may be the safest privacy-focused company out there, but they still own my data. Never trust anyone.

    nehl,

    Hey, a fellow tutanota user?

    Jarmer,
    Jarmer avatar

    Same here. I'm fine using Proton for my mail & drive, but I also like keeping my passwords separate in bitwarden, and my 2fa separate in my raivo. A healthy separation is good.

    thefrankring, to degoogle in How (and why) to de-Google your life and protect your privacy | Proton
    @thefrankring@lemmy.world avatar

    You can use the Google Play store anonymously with the Aurora Store.

    Other than that, you can probably find free and open sources alternatives instead of using Proton.

    foremanguy92_, to degoogle in How (and why) to de-Google your life and protect your privacy | Proton

    This is a good thing, but it is too much advertising proton’s services

    coolusername,

    Proton is CIA and basically modern Crypto AG. encryp.ch/…/disturbing-facts-about-protonmail/

    The CIA-funded companies are quite easy to spot since they publically support US-backed coups out of nowhere seemingly for no reason.

    Edit: here’s an example. Notepad++ has a version named “Stand with Hong Kong”. They were later found to have a CIA backdoor in one of their DLLs.

    Proton also openly supported the HK riots, which were US backed. youtu.be/XoyGc41wcwc

    They (Proton) are a Taiwanese company and raising money for HK riots and blogging about supporting them is extremely uncharacteristic of one. They are not willing to stick their necks out like that. They’re ultra conservative when it comes to PR and marketing.

    In fact, I dare anyone here to find any other Taiwanese company that did/does such a thing.

    cupcakezealot, to degoogle in How (and why) to de-Google your life and protect your privacy | Proton
    @cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    it’s not technically self hosting (and i don’t really want to do that) but i’ve had my own domains since the last 90s and dreamhost since 2007 and i don’t even need gmail or another email service. it’s nice.

    Facebones, to degoogle in How (and why) to de-Google your life and protect your privacy | Proton

    You can also buy a domain name and get cheap email hosting. Less annoying than what I hear proton is. My hosting uses Titan Mail, they’ll occasionally pop up about a new thing they’re working on but I can just be like “no thanks” and they go “cool.”

    Brickardo, to degoogle in How (and why) to de-Google your life and protect your privacy | Proton

    This is just a long advertisement

    the_doktor,

    Just wait until you start using Proton mail. Damn thing spams your inbox with so many of its own services and offers

    iAvicenna, to degoogle in How (and why) to de-Google your life and protect your privacy | Proton

    any service that grows enough will become a google there is no way around it. I cant imagine a situation where half the world uses an email server and governments dont fall on it

    MigratingtoLemmy, to degoogle in How (and why) to de-Google your life and protect your privacy | Proton

    Basically an advertisement for their services, but since they’re shitting on Google’s ad revenue model I’m all for it.

    I will not shit on Google completely myself though, because I do appreciate (other than a few naughty shenanigans they’ve pulled recently) their work on the Android kernel.

    deweydecibel,

    This is honestly what puts me off using Proton. They advertise way too much and way too aggressively. It’s just a bad vibe for a company that’s trying to set itself up as an alternative to Google.

    I use Tutanota but I’m looking to find something else because I’m sick of platforms that lock you into their ecosystem, and the fact they don’t provide any means of using other mail clients like Thunderbird has become a deal breaker.

    Problem is there doesn’t seem to be consensus on third place.

    Broken,

    They advertise way too much and way too aggressively.

    I understand your feeling, but I think massive advertising is needed. This is high level marketing, basically telling the general public there is another way other than big tech. Most people don’t know this to know there are options to choose…so they don’t.

    deweydecibel,

    I understand your feeling, but I think massive advertising is needed.

    Why is it “needed”?

    This is high level marketing, basically telling the general public there is another way other than big tech

    Why do they care about attracting all these people?

    Every one of them increases their operating costs, and doesn’t provide revenue if they stay in the free tier. Why do they want to increase their numbers so badly?

    Why isn’t it enough to just make a good product and let that be what brings people in?

    The only reason for this kind of aggressive advertising is because they’re making a push for growth. They want to become one of those “big tech” companies.

    Let me be clear, I’m not shaming them for advertising their services. But I’m uncomfortable with the scale and aggression with which they do it. They are putting money into this, and a lot of it. It’s not like they’re a non-profit, the end goal is pretty obvious here.

    We’ve been through this before with so many other tech companies, Proton will be no different. It’s just entering the honeymoon phase, is all.

    CrypticCoffee,

    Completely self serving though. Mobile is a personal data goldmine and Google gotta dig into that one way or another and if folks can contribute to that side with bug fixes, great.

    theneverfox,
    @theneverfox@pawb.social avatar

    And Facebook has some of the best open source work of all time, from the react ecosystem to making php feasible, to LLMs. There’s certainly a ton missing and a lot of it is for their own products, but some of it goes far beyond their own needs

    Facebook also did unethical human testing and debatably broke democracy and the social fabric

    Just be even handed. Praise the good, denounce the bad, and keep in mind these are monstrously large companies and the people that did the good probably have little to do with the ones that did the bad

    Google shouldn’t get a pass because they bought Android and only partially used that ownership to control the ecosystem and push their own products

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