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ShimmeringKoi, (edited ) to worldnews in New Israeli report alleging ‘systematic and intentional rape’ by Hamas relies on debunked Western media reports - The Grayzone
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Is anyone else seeing these stories the last couple of days and bracing for some horrific evidence of

spoilerThe systematic and intentional rape of Palestinians by Isreali troops and settlers

thats probably like a week from coming out? We know it’s all projection, we know they see Palestinians as “human animals”, we’ve seen the contrast between the chipper umharmed Isreali prisoners and the traumatized wraithlike Palestinians that were released during the prisoner exchange. We’ve seen the piles of bloody body bags in the desert and the reports of organ theft. It’s clear which side views the other as human beings and which side does not, howthe fuck are they gonna expect us to believe that akshually Hamas are the rapists, other than just banking on racism?

NoneOfUrBusiness,

spoilerThe systematic and intentional rape of Palestinians by Isreali troops and settlers

No idea if it's systematic, but it's happening.

IbnLemmy, to worldnews in New Israeli report alleging ‘systematic and intentional rape’ by Hamas relies on debunked Western media reports - The Grayzone

I did not upvote this because I’m worried I will be accused of antisemitism

AlwaysNowNeverNotMe,
AlwaysNowNeverNotMe avatar

Not immediately reflexively endorsing every Israeli action in perpetuity is antisemetic, I've reported you to the ICC.

otter,

In this case, it might also be a good call because of the source

I’d prefer some other agency reported the story given Grayzone’s track record

Lemmygizer, to worldnews in Before viral Islamophobic rant, ex-Obama official harassed women, Russian diplomat’s dog - The Grayzone

This is unbearable! Obama needs to step down from the Presidency IMMEDIATELY over this.

corrupts_absolutely,

cant quite understand can u translate the magnitude of this into tan suits
(no symapthy for seldowitz, but wont take blumenthal seriously)

Mrkawfee, to worldnews in October 7 testimonies reveal Israel’s military ‘shelling’ Israeli citizens with tanks, missiles

At least 112 Israelis were killed by IDF tanks according to Haaretz.

The IDF then attempted to pin these deaths on Hamas

twitter.com/propandco/status/1718092723750899809?…

CouchPotato, (edited )

This number is incorrect. If you read the translation of the Haaretz article (Google translate), it says “The cost of the Hamas attack was terrible: 112 people of Kibbutz Be’eri were killed [on the 7th of October]”. And not that 112 people were killed by the Israeli army.

In general, the posted source does a really shitty translation. The story and narrative of the Haaretz (according to the Google translation) is way different.

Cockmaster6000, to worldnews in Israeli Targets Journalists, Kills their Families as Big Tech and Biden Admin Silence Palestinians

Imagine pawning off Max Blumenthal’s rag as a credible news source.

macabrett,

So you’re saying the article is untrue?

bear,

Greyzone is an op. We need another source.

Cockmaster6000,

Yes it’s conspiracy theory level garbage with little substance

lemmus, to worldnews in Failed Venezuelan coup leader Juan Guaidó lands new gig as visiting prof at Florida International U - The Grayzone
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The revolving doors of neoliberalism.

MrGG, to unitedkingdom in Intel-linked UK official pushing censorship of Russell Brand

a) isn’t this nutbar still on YouTube, and thus not censored?

b) you shouldn’t be able to profit from spreading disinformation

c) laws regarding free speech / freedom of expression do not apply to private corporations such as Youtube

d) the timing of this is trying to imply Brand being demonitised and the recent sex pest allegations are both orchestrated by the UK government

e) this article seems just as nutty as Brand

Fuck the UK government, but also fuck Russell Brand.

SaniFlush, to news in ‘Israeli soldier’ from notorious unit confesses to US citizen's killing - The Grayzone

Your country doesn’t care if you live or die, Yankee…

Vampire, to worldnews in Top Ukrainian ‘Fact-Checker’ Arrested for Assault on Grayzone Contributor
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Funniest post of the week

secret_ninja, to worldnews in Facebook designates Grayzone journalist Kit Klarenberg a ‘dangerous individual’ - The Grayzone

If he’s banned by fb, means he’s doing something right lol.

I didn’t know this guy before all this but now I’m subscribed to his substack 😂

Streetlights, to worldnews in Facebook designates Grayzone journalist Kit Klarenberg a ‘dangerous individual’ - The Grayzone

Grayzone is tankie nonsense. Pushes pro-Kremlin conspiracy theories and plays down the Uighur genocide.

davel,
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They don’t downplay the “Uyghur genocide”, they refute it entirely. Copypasta time:


China is in the process of ethically cleansing their own population

This is not true at all, despite what our governments and corporate media keep feeding us. As part of China’s affirmative action policies, the Uyghurs and other ethic minorities were excepted from the One-Child policy, and in Xinjiang they have grown in numbers relative to Hans as a result, and this happened similarly with other ethnic minorities. The “Uyghur genocide” (“cultural” or otherwise) psyop is BS.

We see here for example the evolution of public opinion in regards to China. In 2019, the ‘Uyghur genocide’ was broken by the media (Buzzfeed, of all outlets). In this story, we saw the machine I described up until now move in real time. Suddenly, newspapers, TV, websites were all flooded with stories about the ‘genocide’, all day, every day. People whom we’d never heard of before were brought in as experts — Adrian Zenz, to name just one; a man who does not even speak a word of Chinese.

Organizations were suddenly becoming very active and important. The World Uyghur Congress, a very serious-sounding NGO, is actually an NED Front operating out of Germany […]. From their official website, they declare themselves to be the sole legitimate representative of all Uyghurs — presumably not having asked Uyghurs in Xinjiang what they thought about that.

The WUC also has ties to the Grey Wolves, a fascist paramilitary group in Turkey, through the father of their founder, Isa Yusuf Alptekin.

Documents came out from NGOs to further legitimize the media reporting. This is how a report from the very professional-sounding China Human Rights Defenders (CHRD) came to exist. They claimed ‘up to 1.3 million’ Uyghurs were imprisoned in camps. What they didn’t say was how they got this number: they interviewed a total of 10 people from rural Xinjiang and asked them to estimate how many people might have been taken away. They then extrapolated the guesstimates they got and arrived at the 1.3 million figure.

Sanctions were enacted against China — Xinjiang cotton for example had trouble finding buyers after Western companies were pressured into boycotting it. Instead of helping fight against the purported genocide, this act actually made life more difficult for the people of Xinjiang who depend on this trade for their livelihood (as we all do depend on our skills to make a livelihood).

Any attempt China made to defend itself was met with more suspicion. They invited a UN delegation which was blocked by the US. The delegation eventually made it there, but three years later. The Arab League also visited Xinjiang and actually commended China on their policies — aimed at reducing terrorism through education and social integration, not through bombing like we tend to do in the West.

Streetlights,

Worse than I thought.

matcha_addict,

While I agree that this journalist is biased and stretches facts, he provided many citations in this article that are quite informative.

naturalgasbad,

And the US pushes the idea of 40 beheaded babies (among other things) and plays down the Palestinian genocide.

Oops.

figaro,

Let’s agree that both are bad!

naturalgasbad,

Are you also going to say that any news outlet that covers the US State Department’s statements is… nonsense?

Streetlights, (edited )

False dichotomy, bad tankie.

Explain thyself

hydroptic,

“It’s okay because these bad guys do it too”

naturalgasbad,

Are you also going to say that any news outlet that covers the US State Department’s statements is… nonsense?

Streetlights,

False dichotomy fella.

naturalgasbad,

Are you also going to say that any news outlet that covers the US State Department’s statements is… nonsense?

ephrin, to worldnews in Facebook designates Grayzone journalist Kit Klarenberg a ‘dangerous individual’ - The Grayzone

Grayzone is nonsense garbage.

davel,
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ephrin,

Noam Chomsky is nonsense garbage too.

davel,
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Pascal,

Lmao

MetaCubed,

He’s had some incorrect stances, but on average, Chomsky is extremely based, actually.

HelixDab2,

Yeah. But tankies suck that dick the same way that magats suck on OAN’s dick.

The owner of The Grayzone is a frequent contributor to things like Russia Today (aka RT) and Sputnik, which are both Russian propaganda farms. So, y’know.

davel, (edited ) to worldnews in Facebook designates Grayzone journalist Kit Klarenberg a ‘dangerous individual’ - The Grayzone
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I’m not sure I would consider this world news. Maybe !mediacriticism or !social_media or !facebook or !antifacebook?

The Substack article in question: How CIA and MI6 Created ISIS

Edit to add: The military-industrial complex has its eye on the fediverse now as well: Collective Security In a Federated World

ETA II: Looks like Klarenberg’s piece has been published in several places, including:

davel, (edited ) to worldnews in Meet Centuria, Ukraine’s Western-trained neo-Nazi army
@davel@lemmy.ml avatar

Apropos of nothing, did we find out where those 40,000 missing weapons went that we shipped to Ukraine?

Hey, I I’ve seen this one! The U.S. Did Not Defeat Fascism in WWII, It Discretely Internationalized It

dangblingus, to worldnews in Leaked Israel lobby presentation urges US officials to justify war on Gaza with 'Hamas rape' claims

That graph is laughably stupid.

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