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athos77, to antiwork in A 10-day UPS strike could cost the US economy $7.1 billion. That could make it the costliest work stoppage ever in US history, according to an estimate from a Michigan economic research firm that s...

Cool. Maybe if their job is so important, they should be getting paid better.

Sabata11792,
Sabata11792 avatar

We proudly pay our employees a (1950s) liveable wage. They just need to stop wasting money on non-essentials like food, housing, and student debt.

Zorque,

I'd imagine not having to work 10+ hours a day in what is functionally a mobile oven would also be helpful.

SuiXi3D,
SuiXi3D avatar

Imagine the company putting cameras in the mobile ovens before air conditioning.

blanketswithsmallpox,
blanketswithsmallpox avatar

Not only that but almost every delivery driver I see is always kinda skipping or trotting when delivering packages just to keep up.

They either need to increase the workforce on their routes too. Same thing for the USPS in many places while not relying on part time 'contractors' who are just mailmen but not yet because they don't want to pay benefits lol.

FreeBooteR69, to tech in Meta officially launches Twitter rival Threads. 10 million have joined already
FreeBooteR69 avatar

It's sad people flee one shitty dystopia for another.

GreatBigJerk,
GreatBigJerk avatar

I mean some people just want a social media app without Elon Musk...

printerjammed,
printerjammed avatar

and dont even know it

BraveSirZaphod,
BraveSirZaphod avatar

I know I'm practically begging for downvotes here, but it is also possible that some people are perfectly aware of the tradeoffs, pros, and cons of social media, and have decided that the positives outweigh the negatives. That you have different priorities doesn't necessarily mean that everyone else is stupid or ignorant.

printerjammed,
printerjammed avatar

tru

roofuskit,
roofuskit avatar

I think the world we live in necessitates assuming ignorance. Just the last 8 years or so alone.

rephlekt2718,
rephlekt2718 avatar

aint that the truth

FaceDeer,
FaceDeer avatar

It's ironic how the Fediverse on the one hand celebrates the fact that anyone can join and instances can all do their own things and hold their own views, and then it goes "but not like that" in this case.

00,
00 avatar

It's ironic how the Fediverse on the one hand celebrates the fact that anyone can join and instances can all do their own things and hold their own views

Yes, all in contrast to corporate enshittification and algorithmic spyware.

and then it goes "but not like that" in this case.

Yes, because its corporate social media waiting for enshittification with algorithmic spyware.

FaceDeer,
FaceDeer avatar

If some instance wants to enshittify itself it's free to do so. The Fediverse makes it straightforward for its users to move to other instances when that happens.

If Reddit had been magically federated with the rest of the threadiverse, for example, it would have made reacting to their recent API decisions much easier.

00,
00 avatar

I dont really see your point. Sure, instances can do that. But instances and its users can also not do that, and right now its just instance users arguing that we shouldnt do that.

BraveSirZaphod,
BraveSirZaphod avatar

Thankfully, "we" are not a monolith. People who don't mind some level of interaction with Meta can do that, those who want zero contact with it can do that, and all is well.

BEEKAYRANDEE,

I think it moreso has to do with the fact that as soon as Fediverse networking became more popular, Meta immediately comes along and creates another social media platform that uses Fediverse as more of a flashy buzzword.

The point of the Fediverse seems to be "content where you want to see it, how you want to see it, when you want to see it". Promoting a more open ecosystem of specially tailored instances for what an individual user wants as their content.

Meta comes along with Threads, the nearly perfect antithesis of what the Fediverse is. Immediately gobbling up users due to both brand recognition and by seizing a customer base fleeing Reddit trying to figure out what the Fediverse is and not wanting to "miss out" on their communities and content as it migrates here.

Ada,
Ada avatar

@BraveSirZaphod I mean, if they're not, then that means that they're fine with hate speech and run away bigotry, and to be honest, that's not a truth I want to face

@genesis @FreeBooteR69 @printerjammed

InvaderDJ,

People don't care about principles when it comes to a social media site (or really anything for that matter). They want something easy to use, that everyone is on.

spamfajitas,
spamfajitas avatar

I'm almost certain there's a first to market FOMO kinda thing happening with influencers/scammers/advertisers. Everyone with that disgusting "grindset" mentality on Instagram just got a blank slate on an entirely new platform with a lot of media attention.

InvaderDJ,

Its happening with every new Twitter replacement. Twitter for all its faults was actually a widely used resource for brands, companies and influencers. Now that it is so erratic they're all trying to jump on anything with a hint of success to replace Twitter.

PlainsKeeper316,

Brands and government accounts are going to flock to Threads. They want a place for general announcements that has some consistency in moderation and stability. Musk has largely destroyed that on twitter.

InvaderDJ,

I can see it for those types of accounts. The National Weather Service for example doesn't want to deal with random tweet limits and pricing changes and all that. All they need is a stable platform that is popular. If Threads can give them that, I can see it taking off. Already it seems to have more hype and activity than any other alternative in the last few months.

TwilightVulpine,

I care about following cool people and browsing porn, and I don't think Instagram is gonna let the latter fly.

InvaderDJ,

I didn't even think about the porn aspect. You're probably right. Although I'm sure people are going to test it and see how close Meta will let them get.

JeeBaiChow, to anime_titties in Putin warns of ‘problems’ with neighboring Finland after West ‘dragged it into NATO’

Just remember: Ukraine is both a warning, and proof.

paysrenttobirds, to worldnews in Web Summit CEO Paddy Cosgrave resigns after backlash to Israel-Hamas war comments | CNN Business

His comment on October 11

I’m shocked at the rhetoric and actions of so many Western leaders & governments, with the exception in particular of Ireland’s government, who for once are doing the right thing. War crimes are war crimes even when committed by allies, and should be called out for what they are.

(The unsuccessful action of Ireland’s government to temper the UN statement of support for Israel.

In negotiations that bounced between capitals on Saturday, Ireland was joined by Denmark and Luxembourg in pushing for a statement to include an appeal to avoid escalation, according to diplomatic sources.

Ireland ultimately backed the unnuanced statement.)

Google, Amazon, and Facebook, of all people, pulled out of the conference immediately.

Omega_Haxors,

All corporations and megarich have an extremely strong FAR right bias, but they hire PR to whitewash their image so they don’t look like nazis.

mlg,
@mlg@lemmy.world avatar

FAANG doesn’t care about human rights.

Who would have guessed lmao

library_napper,
@library_napper@monyet.cc avatar

What the fuck is controversial about this? Fuck those companies

bartolomeo,
@bartolomeo@suppo.fi avatar

Facebook has, for years, been serving Israel by masking, excusing, denying, and distracting from the Palestinian genocide.

Nougat, to tech in Meta officially launches Twitter rival Threads. 10 million have joined already

I have just read elsewhere that they're using the same account as Instagram uses. So if you have an Instagram account, and have done nothing with Threads at all, they're likely still counting you as a Threads user.

tl;dr: They're being misleading.

theinspectorst,
theinspectorst avatar

I'm pretty sure there are far more than 10 million people with Instagram accounts. There's probably a lot more than that in the US alone.

thablkafrodite,
thablkafrodite avatar

yeah my insta was not set up for threads when i opened the app. i had to purposefully consent to linking the two accounts. Seems to me like its 10 mil actual users.

Eggyhead,
Eggyhead avatar

Wasn’t there a statement recently that meta wasn’t doing threads in some regions? Specifically the EU?

theinspectorst,
theinspectorst avatar

Yes, but it's not the case that all but 10 million of Instagram's users are from the EU...

Eggyhead,
Eggyhead avatar

Do we know if it's only EU that is excluded from Threads?

Ferk,
Ferk avatar

In the US alone, Instagram has over 150 million users. Even if the only country accessing it was the US, the number should be much higher than 10 mill, were they automatically adding the users.

https://www.oberlo.com/statistics/instagram-users-by-country

th0mcat,
th0mcat avatar
GreatBigJerk,
GreatBigJerk avatar

You still have to create a profile on Threads when you set it up. Instagram is waaaay bigger than just 10 million users.

Bloonface,
Bloonface avatar

For context, Instagram has two BILLION users. Facebook has just shy of three billion.

Mastodon has a total of ten million.

EnderWi99in,

The number includes opt-in's only. It makes joining very easy, but it's still a ridiculously high day one adoption regardless.

BraveSirZaphod,
BraveSirZaphod avatar

They're not counting all Instagram users. However, if you have an Instagram account, all you have to do is download the Threads app, and it'll log in with the same saved credentials. The barrier to entry is extremely low, so a lot of people have at least tried it.

Aidinthel, to world in Riots in France have already cost businesses more than $1 billion | CNN Business

Good. The ruling class need to face consequences or they’ll never learn.

eltimablo, (edited )

Yeah, I'm sure that little mom and pop patisseries are keeping the boot on the neck of the little guy.

artisanrox,
artisanrox avatar

If they want everyone to drop over dead at work raising the retirement age then YEP. You get a guillotine! And you get a guillotine!

sadreality,

I doubt bakeries get targeted lol cute try tho

Gucci and LV shops... Fuck 'em, who cares haha

Impressive_Towel2,

Protesters have looted 200 stores and destroyed 300 bank branches and 250 smaller corner shops.

Quote from article. Must feel like a huge stab in the back when your shop gets run over and looted by fellow countrymen.

sadreality,

Yeah... Government fucked up and the rich let it

Aux,

Ruling class is laughing their arses off while watching working class destroying itself. And then they will buy out all the damaged properties for pennies from bankrupt locals. Great consequences!

bouh,

They’re actually very scared. They are beguing to send the army. Fortunately the government still has one functioning neuron.

deafboy,
@deafboy@lemmy.world avatar

What exactly will they learn? They will just pick up the scraps and open shops elsewhere. The only loosers will be the “protestors” too poor to move, while unable to get a job in the wasteland they helped to create. Because no business will dare to open a shop on a street where public burnings are as comon as summer rain.

Rentlar, to politics in Rand Paul vows to drag out Senate effort to pass foreign aid package

Rand Paul:

“If it takes a week or a month, I’ll force them to stay here to discuss why they think the border of Ukraine is more important than the US border.”

Also Rand Paul:

Votes against the strictest border bill ever that Republicans literally were asking for

Jackthelad, to upliftingnews in South Korea passes ban on dog meat consumption

“Breeding animals for consumption is fine, except this one.”

It is slightly odd how people are like, “cows? Gimme that burger. Sheep? Mmm, mint sauce. Chicken? Batter that baby up”. But then suddenly everyone turns into a vegan when it’s a dog or a horse.

I’ve got no interest in eating dog meat, but where’s the consistency?

Vilian, (edited )

don’t forget that india cow is sacred, so it’s even worse for them seeing us eating cows than us seeing others eating dogs

darganon,

I’ve got no counterpoint, but I had the same realization, and it has made me question not being vegan. I’m like 80% without trying, but also replacing eggs and cheese is difficult

pm_me_your_quackers,

Fuck vegan absolutists, the fact that you’re trying is enough

NotAPenguin,

Trying is good but very real animals are still suffering for eggs and cheese.

Is it really wrong to think that the right amount of animal cruelty is none?

wellee,

Reducing without a strict diet is much easier for people. Small wins. If you can make a “I only eat meat, what are veggies?” person reduce their meat intake at all, that’s a super big win. Changing your entire meal prep is a huge undertaking and most people just won’t do it because it’s too overwhelming. Reducing meat to a side, and being more mindful? Way easier.

Buddahriffic,

Chickens just lay eggs. It’s just a thing they do. The factory chicken farms are fucked and shouldn’t exist but ethical eggs are a thing.

jeffw,

I think even ethical eggs end up with some amount of suffering or premature death. Like those videos of the baby chicks being ground up.

NotAPenguin,

They've been bred to lay an extreme amount of unnaturally big eggs.

Buddahriffic,

Either way they are still going to lay those eggs if they exist.

wellee,

? Then its time to stop breeding them like that.

chicken, (edited )

A large portion of health issues and causes of death chickens face are egg related. Sometimes the eggs get stuck, sometimes they break before being laid and cause an infection, vent prolapse, cancer, etc. That’s not to say I don’t think we should eat eggs, with a lot of cooking there is just no good substitute, but even the most pampered hen doesn’t have it easy.

BlueLineBae,
@BlueLineBae@midwest.social avatar

I am firmly of the belief that most of the issues in the meat/dairy industry would be resolved if everyone simply consumed less of them as opposed to becoming vegan. That’s how I live my life and I’ve gotten praises from doctors and nutrition specialists about my diet. Exercise is another thing tho…

wellee,

Right, that’s what I tell people too. I still eat fish on occasion, and if I order food to go and it’s accidentally meat, I will eat it to not waste it.

Have had a few relatives look at me blankly, like they’ve never considered it, when I tell them they don’t NEED to be vegetarian but reducing meat/dairy requires little effort. Sometimes they will send me pictures of the reduced meat meals they make now, which I think is so cute haha. Meat even just as a side dish and not the main course goes a long way :)

IgnisAvem,

Me and my partner do this. We often eat vegan food but if we add a bit of cheese it doesn’t matter. We’ve still consumed way less meat and dairy than we would have a few years ago

2d,
2d avatar

People aren't consuming less, though, they're consuming more. Global meat consumption is still rising. Despite supporting myself on a retail-industry income, I'm still able to be 100% vegan, and support zero animal cruelty.
Less is great. None is best. Your only rationale in your comment for why eating less animal products is better than going completely vegan is... that's the way you live so you want that to be the case?

NotAPenguin,

Animals would still be getting exploited and killed tho

oce,
@oce@jlai.lu avatar

Is animals getting killed for food an issue in essence?

NotAPenguin,

Yes, needless killing is bad.

oce,
@oce@jlai.lu avatar

Me too, but I think we need an actual budget rather than doing it by feeling. The 2t carbon budget is a good start.

RagingRobot,

I’m going the other way. I’m going to eat all types of meat. No more meat determination from me. I’ll eat anything that moves now.

Psychodelic,

Yeah, I think I’d totally try dog meat. It feels hypocritical not to

spittingimage,
@spittingimage@lemmy.world avatar

Kangaroo is great if it’s prepared well.

NotAPenguin,

You can do it :)

It can be scary thinking about it but give it a real try and you'll realize that it's actually much easier than you thought.

wellee,

I like to get eggs from my neighbors who have backyard chickens if they have extra. I can see them, know they’re not in pain, or mass produced :)

Cheese I still have no idea. Their isn’t anything easily available, like almond milk for dairy milk. The vegan ones I’ve tried (years ago) are gross and full of emulsifiers. Always striving/looking though.

Cowbee,
@Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

It’s purely for a cheap optics win. President Yoon is a fascist incel that has been taking L after L, so he worked to ban dog meat despite almost nobody eating it except the absolute poorest of society. Dog meat isn’t a delicacy, it wasn’t something people ate because they saw it as high status, it was largely abandoned by an increasingly westernized South Korea, except for those who couldn’t afford anything else. Barely anyone was eating it.

Instead, it’s virtue signaling by a fascist looking to grab cheap publicity wins rather than actually making good systemic change. Dog meat wasn’t an especially pressing concern, it was an almost gone practice out of necessity, coming from food insecurity, especially during and after the Korean War.

TL;DR still a good thing, but ultimately just a publicity stunt to distract from the fascist President Yoon butchering the economy and targeting women, minorities, and disabled people.

oce,
@oce@jlai.lu avatar

There’s none, it’s based on what society tells you to feel empathy for. Dog eaters and corrida enjoyers are no different from people eating massively produced industrial chicken, they just live in an environment where it is normal to do that.

qyron,

The base difference is that dogs evolved side by side with our species to develop and return emotional bonding and feedback with humans.

All other animals we managed to domesticate, at best, tolerate us or fear us. Cute little photos of cows and pigs enjoying being hugged and petted are exceptions, not norm.

I’ve been trying to understand, for years, what happened to turn dogs and cats food in asian countries (beside famines, hence desperation) but every single source I was ever able to find always gets muddled in exotheric notions of ”medicinal" use or some other folklore high tale.

For context: in Vietnam, cat meat is often served as being “little tiger”.

To the extent of my knowledge, the rest of the world never needed to wrap an animal in an exotheric tale to declare it as potential food.

chicken,

This is an interesting angle. Makes me wonder, do we have a moral duty to reciprocate love and loyalty, or the potential for it? And if not, what basis can there be for treatment of human beings?

qyron,

Interesting question from a chicken.

My concern is not morality and neither is that the issue here.

The animals we call farm animals today came from what are considered prey animals and the process of domestication was essentialy a process of reducing fear and wariness towards our species.

Dogs came to be from an apex predator that, we speculate, found advantageous to actively associate with our species for mutual benefit.

Different origins produced different outcomes.

ParsnipWitch,

I think there is a much easier explanation. People keep rabbits and guinea pigs as pets. They are much more of a “prey animal” than a wild hog, for example.

Humans simply find rabbits, dogs and cats more aesthetically pleasing / cute. That’s the whole secret to it. Some animals are liked by humans and get a bare minimum of compassion and some don’t. And that’s the biggest factor in our decision of which animals deserve to rot away in their own filth until slaughtered and which can enter our homes as “entertainers”.

qyron,

Those two species got a “promotion” more recently into the realm of company animals but they started as food, due to being prolific and easy to keep. They are more sustainable as well, as a tangent comment.

We can argue on all fronts. This is speculation, for what it is.

Coasting0942,

lol, that’s every domesticated animal.

I’d rather focus on banning the ones further along on the path to having a conversation with us. Like the damn Octopus

qyron,

Did the octopus bad mouthed you to deserve your curse?

I often wonder what crossed the mind of the first human that considered an octopus as potential food.

oce,
@oce@jlai.lu avatar

How can you tell this happened more to dogs and cats than any other domestic animal? Many people report farm animals to establish emotional bounding too, typically cows wanting to play and cuddle, way more than the average cat. Cows are also considered sacred by a notable percentage of humanity.
I’m pretty sure there are thousands of other examples of traditions providing tales about why some animal is eaten. One Christian example that comes to me is Easter lamb.
I think your point is still the cultural bias I talked about earlier.

qyron,

Then let’s turn this on another angle: dogs came to be from a predator, and an apex one, capable and willing to prey on our species, unlike all other species we managed to domesticate.

Cats are not even domesticated, for all objective parameters. Cats are still predators, both potential and active. It is not without reason domestic cats are being viewed more and more as destructive for wild species.

I can go out on a leg and speculate these two species became viewed as food wrapped in myths, with tales of obtaining special powers or some other strange purpose besides avoiding death by lack of nourishment.

All other species we managed to tame came froma what are commonly considered prey animals and it was mostly a process of reducing the animals wariness to us.

Cows are considered a representation of one of the many indu gods and have a very unique status as such but are nonetheless still a source of food through the milk they provide.

Your examples are true and valid but I will insist those are exceptions and not norm. I live in a rural area and sheep, goats and cows are part of the landscape. The animals tolerate human presence, often understand it as a source of food and safety, but are wary, suspitious and generally keep their distance. Even pigs, that are considerably more inteligent than all farm animals don’t easily mingle with humans. But any dog, even a feral one, will approach us willingly.

A very welcome bonus to my job is going to places where usually other people won’t go and often find varying degrees of feral dogs. After the initial suspition, I find myself approached by the animals, observed, sniffed and “bothered” for pets and play. I wish I could do this with other animals but other animals avoid me and do their best to keep me as far away as possible.

Your remark on the lambs. The christian/jewish/islamic carried over the tradition from previous people. Sheep were often offerings towards supernatural entities but started as a resource/food source (wool and milk and finally meat).

Poxlox,

We domesticated a highly emotionally intelligent animal. Who cares if there’s “consistency”, if they were killed to make it consistent it wouldn’t be better.

Drewelite,

I think he’s arguing that if that’s better, then why not ban everything else? Cows are domesticated and just as emotionally intelligent as a dog.

Poxlox,

Cows were domesticated for the explicit purpose of being livestock, not companions. I do think they are intelligent, but I don’t believe their emotional intelligence is higher than that of a dog. Dogs literally evolved(bred) eyebrows to facially emote. Having been around cows, and known many farmers with cows and dogs, their emotional intelligence isn’t as apparent. I am not trying to say cows don’t deserve compassion and rights, and frankly eating them is definitely immoral to some degree (yet I still do it). If we were feeding our livestock food scraps and not this corn eco-nightmare and humanely slaughtering, I dont think it would be. But dogs aren’t livestock and are clearly very social animals akin to our similarly protected animals like dolphins, whales, cats, etc. We make excuses for some cultures who are actually dependent on whales/seals etc because of actual longstanding tradition, sustainable harvesting practices, and somewhat humane (or at least no different from a predator/prey in nature), but we don’t need to make the same excuse for an industrial society not dependent on dogs and filled with nonsense about dog and cat meat’s healing properties

Drewelite,

I guess for me, whatever difference in emotional intelligence a whale, dog, or cat has from a cow just isn’t enough to categorize them differently. For me it’s splitting hairs. I suspect it’s a symptom of working backwards to a solution from a problem. As a society we don’t like killing these animals. Why? Because we live more closely with them / enjoy their personality. Let’s call them emotionally intelligent and ban the consumption of meat from these types of animals.

Seems like an arbitrary definition arising out of an emotional response.

All this being said, I still eat meat. But I forced myself to come to terms with this, with as little guilt as possible. That helps me reduce and avoid my meat intake and support more alternative forms of protein. Something I think everybody could benefit from.

Poxlox,

It’s not the emotional intelligence alone. It’s the result of dogs being bred for cohabitation/work, while the cow was livestock, which includes em int. It’s not splitting hairs, it’s genetics and evolution fueled by deliberate breeding.

Underwaterbob,

a horse

They eat horse in Korea, too. It’s just not as widespread as dog, so no ban yet.

qtw,

Horse is also eaten in most of europe and asia and there is much less taboo about it than dog meat.

spittingimage,
@spittingimage@lemmy.world avatar

Why does it need to be consistent? I think it’s fine to say I’m emotionally attached to this animal but not that one.

sizzler,

This TYPE of animal. It makes no sense. Either you are for animals or you don’t care about them.

spittingimage,
@spittingimage@lemmy.world avatar

That’s absurdly reductionist. All animals are not alike.

sizzler,

You say I’m absurdly reductionist then follow up with an absurd reductionist statement like “all animals are not alike” Your cognitive dissonance is amazing.

spittingimage,
@spittingimage@lemmy.world avatar

You don’t know what reductionist means, do you.

Ilflish,

This comment is from the type of person who will recoil at the sheer sight of a spider

sizzler,

Brown recluse maybe, your type of comment is the person who tries to eat it…

DillyDaily,

What if someone were to say “I care about all mammals” but they continued to eat fish and poultry?

At least that’s consistent.

sizzler,

Fair enough.

dangblingus,

Ask the people of SK, who no longer eat dog, why they see a difference.

pearsaltchocolatebar,

How is it odd? Dogs have been pets for like 15k years. The other animals have been specifically bred to eat.

Thcdenton,

I agree. The only counter I can think of is that for thousands of years most dogs have been bred as companions or workers. To me it feels like a violation of some ancient pact to slaughter them. I doubt this has much merit. Just a feeling I get.

trashgirlfriend,

Yes this is a magical thinking cope to handle the cognitive dissonance

I mean “ancient pact”? really?

Thcdenton,

Hey what can I say im not sure how else to descibe it. Its just a vibe. I understand that sparing one intelligent animal over another is completely arbitrary. I’m not trying to reconcile some dissonance either. I’ve eaten whale and horse in the past, and if I got really hungry Fido might end up on the menu too.

Poiar, to Ukraine_UA in Russia has recruited as many as 15,000 Nepalis to fight its war. Many returned traumatized. Some never came back. | CNN

I have a real hard time feeling sorry for that woman in the article, who supposedly has lost her husband. He willingly signed up to go kill other peoples’ husbands, wives, sons, and daughters. Dispicable

dan1101, to news in 17-year-old alleged ‘serial swatter’ charged after police say he made threats throughout the country

We have two big problems here, one that this person would make the phone calls, but you will never 100% fix human nature.

The biggest problem is that police will send a SWAT team after nothing but an anonymous phone call.

ovalofsand,

I’d also like to add that putting this kids face in the news is going to inspire copycats

nutsack,

why? I don’t think this picture of his fat head makes him look cool

VelvetStorm,

I think the third big problem is that the police will send a swat team after just an anonymous phone call.

stoly,

This is the part that gets me. It keeps happening and they think that it’s just fine.

Steve,

They like it. It’s fun.

Wogi,

They just love any excuse to pull out the toys.

When I was in high school I thought I was going to be a cop. Mostly because I was an unoriginal idiot and a friend wanted to be a cop. Went so far as to go through the explorers program where you hang out with cops and they show you stuff. You go on ride alongs. Spend a lot of time with cops.

As it happens about half the guys teaching this program were swat.

They were drooling for any excuse to suit up and kick down doors.

This was 20 years ago, at the time they’d tell you that 90% of officers never use their firearm on duty.

It colors their perception of any situation. Affects their decision making.

Could this be a prank? Maybe. But could I put on the armor and kick in a door? I mean they did call in a threat…

HobbitFoot,

Yeah. I took a communications course from a former cop/hostage negotiator. It was actually pretty informative. There is a national program to teach police how to be effective and empathetic communicators trained to defuse high stakes situations.

They just don’t teach it to most cops.

Thrashy,
@Thrashy@lemmy.world avatar

One of the more unnerving “benign” interactions I’ve had with a cop was when the officer standing guard duty at the DMV subjected my wife and I to ten minutes of exposition about his various weapons and the effects they had on people while we waited for the line to move us out of conversation range. It’s never been more clear to me that somebody desperately wants an excuse to do violence, to anybody he might be allowed to.

dan1101,

That guy almost needs to be reported as a danger. He knows all the weepon effects and has put himself in a position where he may be able to legally find out.

autumn_rain,

Boys with toys mentality. 🙄

lennybird,
@lennybird@lemmy.world avatar

I overall agree with your points but I will say that the type of person who probably excels at a life-or-death job like swat is someone who lives for that adrenaline rush in the first place. The problem is in their over-activation, like an overly-active immune system.

I watched the Uvalde PBS Frontline documentary and what stood out to me is that all those cops were glorified ticket cops one-step removed from mall cops. The only two guys showcased to seem to know what they were doing and had a willingness to do so were the border patrol’s equivalent to swat, BORTAC, who seemed professional and were the ones who entered the room first and ultimately eliminated the shooter.

LilB0kChoy,

Do they actually send a SWAT team? I just assumed that was the term but they actually just trigger a high priority multi officer response based on what they say.

fuckwit_mcbumcrumble,

Have you seen how cops arm themselves? That is just as much force as a swat team.

LilB0kChoy,

Your comment doesn’t really answer my question. Do they actually send a SWAT team?

I don’t really care about how they are armed. Is it called swatting because a SWAT team is deployed, or is it because that happened once or sometimes but it’s not always the case?

nutsack,

your baby gets flash banged in the face and someone tries to make this useless point

LilB0kChoy,

What point? I’m honestly trying to find out if it’s only considered swatting if an actual SWAT team is deployed or if that’s become the generic term.

There’s a term for this, called genericide. Like how Kleenex is used for all facial tissues or Qtips is used for all cotton swabs.

If all you want to do is find reasons to get offended and be combatant take your bullshit somewhere else.

I’m so sick of people like you on Lenny eroding actual conversation so you can mud sling and interpret everything in the worst possible light.

Sometimes a question is just a fucking question jackass!

Blocked for being the waste of space you are.

nutsack,

okay to answer your question it doesn’t matter if it’s swat or not

Swatting is a criminal harassment act of deceiving an emergency service into sending a police or emergency service response team to another person’s address. [wikipedia]

GBU_28,

A swat team is a specially trained unit.

An uparmored tactical larp response.from.many officers is not that.

jonne,

If you make the stakes high enough in the 911 call, absolutely. You don’t want cops to waste time checking things out if a real hostage situation is playing out of whatever.

dan1101,

Search for Swatting incidents and see how many people have been terrorized or killed on the basis of nothing but an anonymous phone call.

Da_Boom,

I mean the main reason they do that is they have to take it seriously. If they decided to ignore anonymous tips, then how many actual situations would they fail to prevent and handle.

Swatting is just taking advantage of the fact that they have no choice but to take it seriously.

That being said, if it’s a place that gets swatted regularly or a place that’s likely to be swatted due to various reasons they should have precautions in place with people they can trust in order to double check before acting, or at least be prepared to go in with their guns still holstered.

mindbleach,

Taking things seriously doesn’t have to mean busting in, guns drawn, in the complete absence of corroborating evidence. They’re the police. They can take risks, like… lookin’. Knocking on doors and asking what’s up.

Olhonestjim,

They don’t need to send SWAT teams. They just do it for kicks.

echodot,

Oh shut up with these intellectually dishonest arguments. You know there’s a problem you know the police are overly aggressive to civilians but hey that’s fine I guess and swat to every situation, come on.

This is about American police being way over militaryized. Swatting is not a problem in many other nations so it’s a solvable issue but if we’re just going to say it’s acceptable then nothing will ever change.

Olhonestjim,

You 100% misunderstood me or you meant to reply to someone else.

GBU_28,

Huh? You.just want em to send Joe bob over for a chit chat? He’ll unwind this whole bomb thingie-whatever

BradleyUffner,

By that logic, why not send the Marines?

GBU_28,

Huh? The military isn’t deployed domestically.

Do you mean the national guard? They don’t train on residential bomb threats do they?

I want the most local, most able team to respond ASAP, to resolve the threat. Properly trained police are that group.

Acknowledged that many police are not properly trained.

BradleyUffner, (edited )

SWAT doesn’t seem all that well trained either if they can be used as weapons by angsty teens.

Olhonestjim,

Yep, that’s exactly what I want them to do. Unarmed.

GBU_28,

Carry that thought. Then what?

Bomber blows up the neighborhood and Joe bob did fuck all.

To be clear, I’m not making light of swatting, and not accepting the culture of modern cops to go all tactical to every little thing. Injustices are happening, people are getting hurt.

I personally want to live in a country where a bomb threat is treated with maximum seriousness.

Grimy,

Crazy to see you get down voted for this.

Not taking the threat seriously is exactly how Uvalde started.

GBU_28,

“popular” sentiment is FULLY ACAB, dearm, negotiate, community activist.

Life is not black and white. Sometimes a strong response is needed. I’m real fucking thankful police exist. Despite their massive failings.

On the other hand there are many many many calls that don’t need an armed response, and a community negotiator is a better choice.

Ultimately policing in north America needs massive restructuring. Unnecessary violence and injustice are happening everyday, especially to minorities.

But the response to bomb threats is NOT the top of the list of changes.

Olhonestjim,

Are you suggesting that unarmed negotiators don’t have an amazing success rate?

They are public servants who volunteer to do a dangerous job. Considering the way they treat innocent people now, yeah I’d much rather hire competent people who are willing to do the job properly.

GBU_28,

I’d love to see a source on that. I’ve never heard negotiators are particularly effective.

“Amazing success rate” sounds like a 75% + de-escalation rate with the offender in custody and the bomb undetonated.

Olhonestjim,

Nope. I don’t have numbers. But I have seen competent, compassionate people talk desperate people out of some dire situations without harm to anyone. We should always start there. Every single time.

Cops on the other hand must be leashed.

GBU_28,

I spoke to the tactical-happy nature of cops, and how that’s a serious issue. I pretty specifically constrained my area of discussion to bomb threats. I acknowledge that for other issues of less terroristic nature, a negotiator is great. (Wellness checks, domestic issues, substance issues, etc)

Thanks for clarifying the anecdotal source though.

dan1101,

Until they figure out what is happening, if anything at all, the SWAT teams certainly stand the chance to do more harm than good. How about some recon first? Deaths are happening, and if nothing else innocent and completely bewildered people wind up with police guns pointed at their heads. Most of the time it’s cleared up but the victims are left with “Oh sorry folks, someone called and said there was a hostage here.”

afraid_of_zombies,

I don’t know what they could do with a mosque. I think it is a very valid assumption that someone could be in there with a gun and a very valid assumption it could be an asshole “pranking”.

Be nice to see some harsh criminal penalties for people who SWAT and maybe some more advanced tech like cameras in the building they can plug into and see.

grue,

The problem isn’t that the police respond, it’s how they respond. The fact that the police themselves are so dangerous to the presumptive victim on whose behalf they’re responding – as tacitly acknowledged by “swatting” being treated as a serious crime going beyond mere misuse of police resources – is the much bigger problem here. Frankly, going after swatters is at least 50% a misdirection tactic: an attempt to shift the blame away from the reckless police.

JackiesFridge,
@JackiesFridge@lemmy.world avatar

Patrick Tomlinson was swatted over 40 times in 2023 alone. It took WAY too many times before the police would simply knock on his door and ask him if everything was okay. You’d think after the 4th or 5th time they might figure it out.

www.wisn.com/article/…/40912738

insideedition.com/milwaukee-sci-fi-author-patrick…

LarmyOfLone,

You’d think Patrick would have set up a big sign like “Hello, if you’re swat, chill! It’s just a prank bro! Just come in and have a beer.” But no, so the guy basically resisted /s

JackiesFridge,
@JackiesFridge@lemmy.world avatar

The frustrating thing was that the police had him on a list. They KNEW the history. But half the time they still rolled up ready for war. It was a banner day when he was woken up at 3 in the morning only by two normal officers knocking on the door to let him know it happened again.

FlyingSquid, to news in Poultry processor hit with proposed $212,646 fine after second worker, a teen, killed by machine | CNN Business
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar
  1. This is a proposed fine.
  2. “Mar-Jac Poultry’s estimated annual revenue is currently $227.1M per year. Mar-Jac Poultry’s estimated revenue per employee is $337,500” growjo.com/company/Mar-Jac_Poultry meaning that this proposed fine is less than the income this child generated for them.
  3. The child was hired by Onin Staffing, and there is no proposal to fine them. “Onin Staffing’s estimated annual revenue is currently $235.9M per year.” growjo.com/company/Onin_Staffing
  4. This is murder.
  5. This is the fault of Republicans.
  6. They’re good with that.
Dyskolos,

Why are there even kids working there? How old was this “teen”? What is wrong with the USA (rethorical question)?

Your numbers (i assume correctness) are making it even more worse. Disgusting even. That’s like fines not bound to income. A major kick in the nutsack for the poor and a slightly more expensive, but totally neglectable, parking-ticket for the rest.

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Many of them are immigrant children.

www.npr.org/2023/…/immigrant-child-labor-crisis

CNN obviously won’t identify the child, but I would not be at all surprised if the child was an immigrant.

Dyskolos,

Which would exactly change what? Still a teen that shouldn’t work in such a place. Maybe an hour a day filling shelfs in a supermarket. Not working at a deboner in a soul-crusher.

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

It doesn’t change anything. It’s an explanation of why the kids are hired. They’re immigrants that came across the border illegally and are being exploited. They are being helped along by Republican state laws. It’s all racism.

SeaJ,

He told me that he called and asked for help and he thought at least maybe the police would come and check out the house, somebody might come and knock on the door and instead nothing happened. He ended up escaping eventually on his own. When I asked Health and Human Services about this, they told me that yes, they did not have a policy of calling these children back or going out once they were contacted.

Patently HHS didn’t think it was important to follow up on phone calls they receive. WTF?

Adam Conover also has a video breaking down the issue.

youtu.be/_ve6BqXzbjw

SinningStromgald, to world in Before and after satellite images show destruction in Gaza

The images show war crimes CNN. War crimes.

ViewSonik, to Ukraine_UA in Ukraine says Russian strike kills at least 51 in one of the deadliest attacks of the war | CNN

Putin will continue to murder the innocent people of Ukraine until he receives the death penalty for his actions.

tissek, to worldnews in Screen time linked with developmental delays, study finds | CNN
@tissek@ttrpg.network avatar

In the latest research, mothers of children with high levels of screen time were more likely to be younger, have never given birth before, have a lower household income, have a lower education level and have postpartum depression.

This paragraph highlights another factor in developmental delay - non-present parents (or other caregivers).

admiralteal,

Poverty. It's poverty. It basically always comes down to poverty.

LEDZeppelin, to politics in Rudy is strapped for cash

Did he try pulling himself up by the bootstraps? What about not having an iPhone? Starbucks coffee? Avocado toasts?

Nougat,

Come on, give the guy a break. He's trying! Everyone knows he's only buying economy hair dye.

milkjug,
@milkjug@lemmy.world avatar

He should get kickbacks from four seasons landscaping, after all he was their point man.

Nougat,

Jesus, remember when Four Seasons Total Landscaping was the most ridiculous thing?

buddhabound,

I think it’s still the most ridiculous thing. Either that, or farting on Jenna Ellis during the legislative hearing and giving her COVID. I’m really not sure which of those is more ridiculous.

Nougat,

New band bame: COVID Farts

wolfpack86,

Maybe his public defender will suggest to take the plea since their caseload is too large

Dressedlikeapenguin,

He did save a bundle by not getting his lower set of teeth fixed, he’s trying, lol

SheeEttin,

I bet he’s even got a fridge!

mr_tyler_durden,

This reference will never not make my blood boil. Fuck Fox ”news”.

adeoxymus,

What’s the reference?

VerdantSporeSeasoning,

For a while, mainstream/right wing news especially told voters that many people under the poverty line couldn’t be that badly off since such and such a percent of them had basic conveniences in their living places, like fridges, dishwasher, etc. It was one of those 90s strategies to create resentment against public programs.

ChocoboRocket,

One of the greatest money saving tips we got up here in Canada is that cancelling Disney plus ($12/month plus taxes) would help struggling families deal with inflation and make ends meet.

Thanks chrystia freeland, you out of touch ghoul. That $12 a month will surely overcome the several hundred dollars a month increase in costs to food, shelter, and gasoline/heat since 2019.

To be non partisan, the federal leader of the opposition also suggested Canada could opt out of inflation by embracing bitcoin, right before it Collapsed 60%

As you can see, the people in charge up here have nothing but the best, most well thought out advice for the average Canadian and those bootstraps will be pulled up any day now.

LEDZeppelin,

I feel your pain. Canadian conservatives are doing exactly the same BS as the ones in the US. Conservatism is the problem, no matter what is the name of party/country/society.

Zoboomafoo,
@Zoboomafoo@yiffit.net avatar

And they’re being weird about it too, from what I’ve heard.

It’s like they forgot that the US and Canada are different countries

btaf45,

Conservatism is the problem, no matter what is the name of party/country/society.

I wish more people understood this. Conservatism is the problem in Iran and China too.

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