We've started going full death camp yet people still don't believe that there's a genocide. There are no words to describe just how truly disgusting that is.
Lemmy users when a contextless image of a dead Palestinian exists: “Noooo Israel stahp!!! They’re murderers!!!!1!!”
Lemmy users when a literal terror cell elected into office by Palestinians runs across the border to slaughter, rape, and kidnap thousands of women and children: “It’s self-defense guys, Israel is an oppressor.”
Sure looks like track marks on the shirt. Also looks suspiciously well lined up. Alive or dead, whoever did it did not deviate from their angle at all.
This guy almost certainly didn’t do any of that, if Hamas did or not. Fuck off. How about we hold you accountable for every crime every person of your nation is accused of.
“palestinians didn’t do any of that” Oh wow, talking about delusional deniers, you alJazeera Arabyia mouthpiece. Want me to send the videos the palestinians themselves filmed and shared on the internet on October 7th for all the civilized world to see, how “moral they are”? And they weren’t Hamas, they were civilians that joined the raping and pillaging across the border.
Dude, the IDF has been killing and raping people for a long time. Maybe you don’t hear about it, but that says more about you than them. It used to be easy to find (not sure it still is with the whole ware thing and all the war crimes being committed), and you can use whichever sources you choose. They’ll all admit at least the killings.
The most detailed eyewitness account of rape is from a young woman who attended the Supernova music festival where more than 350 young people were killed.
“They laid a woman down and I understood that he is raping her …they passed her on to another person“ the witness told police in a video reviewed by NBC News. “And he cuts her breasts, he throws it on the road they are playing with it.”
One of the videos posted to Telegram by Hamas shortly after the attack shows a young Israeli woman with bloodied sweatpants at her crotch. The video shows her hands tied and she is pushed into a Jeep with multiple jihadists. The woman is believed to be one of the remaining hostages still held in Gaza.
So these women are lying? The videos are fake? BBC, NBC and others all launched independent investigations and they are all lying?
No I’m not, that article has nothing to do with what I said. Also, the intercept is not exactly credible. “We also rate them as Mostly Factual in reporting rather than High due to previous fabricated work and censorship of writers.” mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-intercept/
In a statement, rights group Al-Haq said that the destruction of the site was "a deliberate attempt to deprive resources indispensable for the survival of the Palestinian people in Gaza… [that] serves Israel’s colonial project, reinforcing its apartheid regime by erasing Palestinian identity.
This is it. This is why they do it. Like another commenter said; everyone was outraged when ISIS did it, but when Israel does it nobody bats an eye. I guess those byzantine graves were Hamas members too.
It has the bonus effect of removing evidence that Judaism was a religion made up of previous culture's stories and legends. The guy who lost his shit at a statue in a museum was international news, and there will only be more evidence undermining Judaism's claims to originality and truth buried in coastal areas. The Israeli government has long been stalling any archaeological work in Israel/Palestine, much to the dismay of historians. This makes sure nothing can be identified even long after the current fighting and reinforces the power of the ruling class.
Tzipi Navon, a close adviser to and office manager for Netanyahu’s wife, Sara, posted incendiary remarks on Facebook saying it was not enough to “flatten Gaza.”
“It won’t calm the storm of emotions, it won’t dull the intensity of the rage and pain that can’t find an outlet for them,” Navon wrote.
Instead, she said the culprits should be captured and tortured “one-by-one” by pulling out their nails and skinning them alive.
Further detailing the type of torture she saidthey should endure, Navon said that male genitals should be cut off, fried and fed to the captured.
“Save their tongues for last, so we can enjoy his screams, his ears so he can hear his own screams, and his eyes so he can see us smiling,” she said.
What Hamas did was terrible. But this is still nuts.
I don’t think you need to preface with “what Hamas did was terrible” for this particular one. This is just plain nuts.
Nevermind that official Hamas policy, unlike that of actual terrorist states, is very opposed to civilian casualties. Whether individual fighters are listening to that is clearly debatable, but it’s not like Hamas has the facilities to train up a professional army.
I would bet a years salary that they’ll keep going even if they find and kill him. Hell, I bet they keep going if he offers himself to the Israelis as a sacrificial lamb to try to stop them from murdering civilians.
Edit: woah. As of this writing, the account that replied and downvoted this is about 9 minutes old. I have successfully inspired someone to join lemmy (yay 😄), but it seems they’re not the caliber of person whose going to improve the discourse here (aww 😞).
Yep. There has been nothing to indicate Israel gives a single shit about this guy.
Biden: “What if we hunted down Yayah Sinwat?”
Little Ben: “Who?”
Biden: “The Hamas chief.”
Little Ben: “Ooh, those guys. Yeah, yeah, yeah, sure.”
Like a fiddle. Again. Even after Biden admitted he got played at the start already. He’s not great at seeing things that are so obvious to the rest of the world.
I'm betting on that even if the Hamas chief offers himself, the states and Israel will try to swing it as a look-a-like and will conveniently find the "real" one shortly after occupying all of Palestine, so they can keep trying to bring attention back to a single person
Have they ever shown much care to getting prisoners back? The terrorists goal seems to be to kill every Palestinian and level every building in Gaza. The freeing of prisoners is just rhetoric to get the public to accept genocide.
I dont think the Israeli government ever has particularly, but they are in trouble if the public start believing that en mass. Sadly it seems that the Israeli public dont really care how bad things get for Palestinians (or actively want them harm and to seize their land), but there seems to be real anger over not putting getting hostages back as the main objective, with Hamas agreeing to a prisoner swap leading to ceasefire but Isreal rejecting it I can see that getting more intense.
It’s just more political campaigning for the upcoming election, just like the recent handful of regulatory measures in a few areas of limited impact to the average American’s Quality Of Life that could’ve and should’ve been done years ago but “strangelly” only got done all together when the Presidential Election was around the corner.
Throw a few easilly reversible or pure talk bones to wavering supporters to get them to vote for you and spend the next 4 years (minus a few months, reserved for the next vote’s bone-throwing period) doing whatever the hell you want (up to and including activelly supporting genocide with the kind of military equipment known to cause massive collateral damage)
Mind you, this is not just a Biden or an American thing - I’m involved in a political party in a different country and you get similar shit from the leadership: they pretty much don’t care about what most of the party members think up until 2 or 3 months before an election at which point suddenly you get a couple of high-profile party figures touring the country and doing conferences with the local Party members to “listen to them” - so let’s not deceive ourselfs into thinking seemingly positive measures from politicians anywhere that only ever happen when they need voters to vote for them or party members to do free campaign work for them, are a true genuine change for the better rather than cold calculating manipulation for their own gain.
It’s pretty funny Biden is now employing the israeli Hasbara tactic of spamming misinformation.
Every week we see a new post about how Biden is going to sanction israel but he either doesn’t follow up on it, or reverses the sanctions directly after placing them.
“There is no such thing as special treatment or double standards here,” Patel said. “The standards of the Leahy Law are applied consistently to all countries.”
Kind of clashes with this:
“Four of these units have effectively remediated these violations, which is what we expect partners to do… For a remaining unit, we continue to be in consultations and engagements with the government of Israel.”
And this:
These five units, including Netzah Yehuda, are permitted to receive US security assistance.
So the one that hasn’t done shit to change after the human rights violations are STILL allowed US security assistance? How is that not special treatment?
So the one that hasn’t done shit to change after the human rights violations are STILL allowed US security assistance? How is that not special treatment?
Maybe they just want to send a message to the other four
I was curious about the statements of the Colombia professors that brought them congressional ire. Found this article about it. I think some of it is pretty gross glorification of Hamas but some of these professors are definitely being slandered just for being critical of Israel.
Massad, who once called Israel “a racist state”, has also previously come under fire for allegedly spewing anti-Israeli remarks in class and for comparing Hamas aggression against Israel to the Warsaw ghetto uprising against the Nazis during WWII.
Yep checks out. Hamas forgot to be the perfect victim again. Time to ban free speech.
I look for Hamas what I look for in Israel, an adherence to humanitarian law. Hamas is perfectly happy to kill Palestinians, especially when they happen to be their political rivals. They remind me of the IRA, using a justified grievance for political gain.
Oppression is not an excuse to commit heinous crimes. A party can be brutally, illegally oppressed and still be held responsible for the things they do in retaliation.
That’s really cool maybe have the same feelings for those being oppressed for 75+ years instead of them striking back when everyone else has abandoned them.
it was predicted this would happen for multiple years in advance if people kept ignoring the Palestinians. There were many warnings given. Everyone still kept ignoring them.
For someone who seems to like to portray a good understanding of the situation this seems like a huge oversight. Or were you bullshitting me?
So in light of this information, how is it possible to make Gaza into an open air prison or concentration camp when they don’t control the whole thing?
What’s stopping Palestinians from ending their crusade to kill all Jews and just use the aid money for actually improving their situation (imagine if Hamas allowed this)?
The tenured academic has faced widespread calls to be fired ever since he referred to the Oct. 7 attack inflicted by Hamas terrorists as “awesome” and a “stunning victory of the Palestinian resistance.”
“The sight of the Palestinian resistance fighters storming Israeli checkpoints separating Gaza from Israel was astounding,” Massad penned in a 1,800 word essay published 24 hours after the bloodshed.
“Perhaps the major achievement of the resistance in the temporary takeover of these settler-colonies is the death blow to any confidence that Israeli colonists had in their military and its ability to protect them.”
Mohamed Abdou
Just days after the Oct. 7 attack, Abdou controversially declared on social media, “Yes, I’m with Hamas and Hezbollah and Islamic Jihad.”
Hamid Dabashi:
He’s come under fire in recent years for a slew of controversial social media posts, including a since-deleted one in which he blamed Israel for every “dirty” problem in the world.
“Every dirty treacherous ugly and pernicious happening in the world just wait for a few days and the ugly name ‘Israel’ will pop up in the atrocities,” Dabashi wrote in the 2018 Facebook post, cited by the Jewish Journal.
Anti-Palestinian sentiment in institutions is strong and must be fought, but most of the situations cited here are not about Hamas not being the ‘perfect victim’.
So who is going to stand up for the Palestinians? Is it Genocide Joe that just blocked recognition for a Palestinian state after half a year of Genocide and the entire world turning against israel? Are you going to save the Palestinians?
Put people in a concentration camp for 20+ years, completely ignore their suffering and peaceful protests, and when they finally fight back go “Oooh that’s bad! They didn’t do it perfectly!”.
“Who will stand up for the Palestinians, if we don’t simp for Islamofascists?”
It’s funny how your kind always lands on “NOT GOOD ENOUGH” whenever liberals are involved, but “Critical support for holsum pro-genocide chungus 😊” whenever authoritarians are involved.
Couldn’t you turn that around on yourself? I mean, I’ve heard plenty of people claim that we shouldn’t let a little thing like support for genocide deter us from voting for biden.
I didn’t realize Hamas was running in a FPTP election in which the other viable party was also a supporter of genocide. Here I thought they hadn’t had elections in almost two decades in Gaza while Hamas has squeezed every last ounce of political independence from the local institutions. Silly me.
I didn’t realize biden has to support genocide. Mighty convenient for that lover of genocide to have the other guy be worse, must be one reason why the democrats helped trump be the republican nominee in the first place. Here you are helping them out with their brilliant strategy while thinking democrats will ever improve things. Why would they bother when they have an infinite supply of worse candidates to run against?
Do I have to break out the polls again? Or do you just not understand what ‘democracy’ means? “Democracy” doesn’t mean “What I agree with, and the more I agree with it, the more democratic it is”.
Mighty convenient for that lover of genocide to have the other guy be worse, must be one reason why the democrats helped trump be the republican nominee in the first place.
… how many Republican candidates, do you think, would be better or even equal to Biden on the issue?
Please. Regale me.
Here you are helping them out with their brilliant strategy while thinking democrats will ever improve things. Why would they bother when they have an infinite supply of worse candidates to run against?
“Wow, I can’t believe that the candidate who won the Dem primary (or presumed she was going to win even before she did) wanted the weakest possible candidate as opposition! She should have fought for the STRONGEST candidate to oppose her to emerge from the GOP primary!”
It would be great if you could do something other than parrot the talking points of your fellow fascists.
Do I have to break out the polls again? Or do you just not understand what ‘democracy’ means? “Democracy” doesn’t mean “What I agree with, and the more I agree with it, the more democratic it is”.
… how many Republican candidates, do you think, would be better or even equal to Biden on the issue?
I see you missed the point in my post where having the republican party as an excuse means nothing will ever improve. Nice job defending this system even after having it spelled out for you. Genocide is unacceptable, full stop.
“Wow, I can’t believe that the candidate who won the Dem primary (or presumed she was going to win even before she did) wanted the weakest possible candidate as opposition! She should have fought for the STRONGEST candidate to oppose her to emerge from the GOP primary!”
If you’re funding fascists, you get fascists. It’s not a risk worth taking, but democrats are either brain-dead morons or they don’t mind fascism because it gives them an excuse to never improve anything. Either way, they keep doing it: nypost.com/…/democrats-spend-53m-to-boost-far-rig…
Trump wasn’t the weakest candidate at all in 2016. He promised changed in an election year where people were hungry for change. Meanwhile galaxy brain Hillary promised more of the same, insisting that the status quo was fine. Oh look, another mistake democrats keep committing, the geniuses that they are.
It would be great if you could do something other than parrot the talking points of your fellow fascists.
You’re calling me a fascist yet you defend genocide.
I see you missed the point in my post where having the republican party as an excuse means nothing will ever improve.
Yes, that’s why nothing has ever improved. Thanks. Great talk. 10/10 for illiteracy in modern history.
Genocide is unacceptable, full stop.
Right, so mind reminding me why you’re so eager to have a genocide in the US?
If you’re funding fascists, you get fascists.
There wasn’t a non-fascist going to win the GOP’s primary, unless you’re eager to play apologist for even MORE Christofascists. Which, honestly, wouldn’t surprise me at this point.
Trump wasn’t the weakest candidate at all in 2016.
lmao
He lost the popular vote to Hillary fucking Clinton.
I don’t think you can get much weaker than that.
You’re calling me a fascist yet you defend genocide.
I’m defending genocide because… I don’t want a genocide in the USA.
That’s a curious definition of defending genocide, but I suppose fascists aren’t known for their attachment to the meaning of words.
Yes, that’s why nothing has ever improved. Thanks. Great talk. 10/10 for illiteracy in modern history.
Actually yeah, which is why obama continued bush’s surveillance state, bailouts for the rich, and wars. It’s why biden continued trump’s trade war, border policies, and sucking israel’s dick.
Right, so mind reminding me why you’re so eager to have a genocide in the US?
I’m doing this by thinking biden should listen to his constituents and stop the genocide? Apparently you think biden is wise in ignoring voters so that he can continue supporting genocide. Here’s a win-win for you: biden stops supporting genocide abroad AND we don’t have a genocide in the US because he’d gain voter approval. Easiest victory of all time, but you’re so supportive of genocide and democrats are fond of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. By the way, I provided poll numbers to support my argument, what happened to the poll numbers you claimed you had?
There wasn’t a non-fascist going to win the GOP’s primary, unless you’re eager to play apologist for even MORE Christofascists. Which, honestly, wouldn’t surprise me at this point.
There isn’t a non-fascist republican because democrats intentionally let them be the worst they can be so they can look good by comparison to that extremely low bar. The overton window is being pulled to the right by republicans and pushed to the right by democrats. Again, democrats actively support the worst of the worst: nypost.com/…/democrats-spend-53m-to-boost-far-rig…
and you fall for it.
lmao. He lost the popular vote to Hillary fucking Clinton. I don’t think you can get much weaker than that.
But of course the democrats just had to have their queen as the nominee, so they snatched defeat from the jaws for victory yet again.
I’m defending genocide because… I don’t want a genocide in the USA. That’s a curious definition of defending genocide, but I suppose fascists aren’t known for their attachment to the meaning of words.
So you could stop genocide both here and abroad by pressuring biden to listen to his constituents but you think it’s best to ignore voters. Don’t be surprised if your brilliant strategy doesn’t work.
There isn’t a non-fascist republican because democrats intentionally let them be the worst they can be so they can look good by comparison to that extremely low bar.
Ah, yes, it’s the fault of the Democrats that Republican voters love fascism. This is the exact kind of bootlicking bullshit that fascist apologists have pulled since the 1930s.
I’m doing this by thinking biden should listen to his constituents and stop the genocide?
Nice, glad you didn’t read the poll I linked to which quite clearly laid out that a majority of American voters do not support a harder line on Israel (as absurd as that is), great talk.
You say, as you dismiss the 30,000+ deaths and counting in Palestine.
Ah, yes, it’s the fault of the Democrats that Republican voters love fascism. This is the exact kind of bootlicking bullshit that fascist apologists have pulled since the 1930s.
The same 1930s where the capitalists were all on board with fascism because they’d rather that than the communism that was rising thanks to the many grievances of the people? You know, like how the democrats promote fascism over the socialist programs that Bernie promoted? Democrats fought harder against Bernie than Trump. You couldn’t have picked a worse example to make your point. Congratulations, you played yourself.
Nice, glad you didn’t read the poll I linked to which quite clearly laid out that a majority of American voters do not support a harder line on Israel (as absurd as that is), great talk.
Your poll talks about hamas vs israel. That’s like asking if you approve of osama bin laden or the Iraq war. Further down on your link, it asks if people think biden is striking the right balance on israel and the highest option is “not sure” at 40% with the second option being “favoring the israelis too much” at 22%. Another case of you playing yourself. Also, your poll was from back in february and more and more people are seeing israel for the genocidal apartheid regime that it is. My poll is more clear in its question of asking about israel’s actions in Gaza and the majority clearly do not approve. My poll is from march.
We’re done here.
You’re done playing yourself? Congratulations! I just hope you can find it in your heart to stop simping for genocide and stop defending a strategy where the democratic party actively promotes fascists to make themselves look better.
“Many of us like to ask ourselves, ‘What would I do if I was alive during slavery? Or the Jim Crow South? Or apartheid? What would I do if my country was committing genocide?’ The answer is, you’re doing it. Right now.” - Aaron Bushnell
I’m sure it’s just a coincidence that the IDF seems to be targeting places where doctors and academics tend to congregate.
They might not be able to eliminate 100% of Palestinian citizens (won’t stop them from trying though), but they can sure as shit do everything they can to cripple any potential future that the ethnic group might have had if/when this ends, by executing the ones who keep the rest of them safe and healthy.
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