koen,
@koen@procolix.social avatar

Dear European based LGBTIQ+ people.. (so basically everybody).

Today I attended an event in organized by @waag @DeGroene @gemeenteamsterdam and the Amsterdam public library called

Featured speaker this time was Euro Member of Parliament @kimvsparrentak who passionately spoke on the need for a more free Internet detached from and more focussed on and real interaction.

When confronted with her presence on X and Insta, and the lack of active presence here on the we promised to help her.

Please help us get a decent follower-base here and follow her account right now, before she even gets a chance to get more active. A follower base of more than a 1000 people will surely help her convince her party members to spend time and money on a real presence here.

I used a cut out of the image posted by @sicco in this post: https://todon.nl/@sicco/112372340250592627 thank you for that Sicco.

jmaris,
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@koen @waag @DeGroene @gemeenteamsterdam @kimvsparrentak @sicco have worked with Kim several times over the last 2 years: she's an amazing MEP who consistently stands up for LGBTQI and Digital rights! Certainly worth following !

fabio,
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@koen @waag @DeGroene @gemeenteamsterdam @kimvsparrentak @sicco I’m definitely onboard with such initiatives, but IMHO the chicken-and-egg problem should be solved on both ends.

Many politicians agree with us that centralization is bad. Yet their primary presence is on Meta/X in most of the cases. When asked “then why are you not on the Fedi?”, many respond with “because there aren’t enough people for me to justify the jump/investment”.

And that in turn feeds the other feedback loop - “why do you still have an account on X?” - “because most of the politicians/public figures are there”.

Building presence in the social infrastructure one actually believes in, even if that requires extra effort, shouldn’t be something contingent to the probabilities of getting thousands or followers on that platform.

koen,
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@fabio @kimvsparrentak @gemeenteamsterdam @DeGroene @sicco @waag

I fully agree with you Fabio!

That is why I am very happy and exited that Kim revived her account and actually started to take part in the today. I hope a lot of other politicians will soon follow suit!

That said, it does help (to convince the 'established advisors') when politicians join that they are welcomed and followed and I will actively promote that.

shekinahcancook,
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@fabio @kimvsparrentak @koen @gemeenteamsterdam @DeGroene @sicco @waag

That's the commercial mindset, though. Their goal is not interaction and getting info out there as far and wide as possible. They only care about eyes on their material if it generates revenue somehow. And the fediverse doesn't. Their goal is fundamentally at odds with the goals, such as they are, of the denizens of the fediverse, who just want conversation and information.

amerika,
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@fabio @kimvsparrentak @koen @gemeenteamsterdam @DeGroene @sicco @waag

Then why do these politicians write laws that incentivize centralized monopolies?

Oh right, the voters wanted it.

koen,
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@amerika @kimvsparrentak @fabio @gemeenteamsterdam @DeGroene @sicco @waag

This politician is actively trying to influence these laws to de-incentivize centralized monopolies.

amerika,
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@koen @kimvsparrentak @fabio @gemeenteamsterdam @DeGroene @sicco @waag

I wish you luck, but I suggest that unlike most politicians, instead of top-down methods prohibitions you look at incentive structures.

https://tech.slashdot.org/story/24/05/02/1734237/google-defends-better-search-product-as-antitrust-trial-concludes

fabio,
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@amerika @kimvsparrentak @koen @gemeenteamsterdam @DeGroene @sicco @waag to be fair, recent European laws are as anti-monopolistic as they can get. The DMA is a good piece of legislation that, if implemented right, can really lower many of those barriers erected by those monopolies - from hostile approach towards 3rd-party integrations to the tyranny of the app stores.

IMHO you don’t have to explicitly encode incentive structures when you are dismantling existing barriers. The goal of dismantling barriers arbitrarily created by someone else (e.g. by E-E-E of open protocols like RSS/XMPP, by takeover of potential competitors, by hindering inter-operability, by opposing alternative clients/stores etc.) is to re-establish the level-playing field.

Once the level-playing field is restored, competitors have a fair access to the market again, and have market incentives to create e.g. alternative clients for Facebook, alternative app stores, social platforms that support cross-posting across walled gardens, experiment with alternative business models without having to compete with the established stalk-and-throw-ads monster, etc.

There’s demand for these things (the number of screenshots posted on walled gardens about stuff that happens on other walled gardens are a sad manifestation of such demand), there’s potentially supply to fullfil those demands too, the only thing that stands in between is a handful of monopolies who have no incentives in opening up.

You don’t need to give those monopolies incentives to stop monopolizing and implementing rent-seeking behaviour. You just need to hit them hard where it hurts them the most, because they will perceive any change from the status quo as a net loss and will oppose it with all the means they have.

The retreat of a monopoly is already a great incentive structure for competitors to fill in the gaps. The only additional incentives should probably be directed towards businesses and entities that instead embrace openness (sticking to the “pick the willing, not the winners” principle). And this is probably an area where the EU could do more (e.g. through direct investing into companies like Nextcloud or Fairphone, or funding to medium-sized Fediverse server admins), so they have a better chance of standing against multibillion companies and build credible alternatives.

koen,
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@waag @DeGroene @gemeenteamsterdam @kimvsparrentak @sicco

Kim, please also let our non-dutch speakers know you're here. 🙏

dynode,
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@koen @waag @DeGroene @gemeenteamsterdam @kimvsparrentak @sicco

First she has to follow people here.

koen,
@koen@procolix.social avatar
koen,
@koen@procolix.social avatar

@dynode

That process is going to happen really soon.

dynode,
@dynode@mas.to avatar

@koen

I am not following people that have been here for a while yet don't follow anyone.

koen,
@koen@procolix.social avatar

@dynode that is fine of course.

Why would you let that be known to everyone. Oh and please engage with me in the other post I made on this topic. 🙏

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