NVEVA,
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Hypx,
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@NVEVA Hydrogen cars have neither the upfront problems of BEVs, nor the long-term issues of conventional ICE cars. But of course, we suffer from a BEV cult that rejects all alternatives. In reality, BEVs are just a transitional technology and will be replaced by something superior.

NVEVA,
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@Hypx sorry but we can’t agree. Basically a hydrogen vehicle IS an electric car, converting hydrogen to electricity, and it still uses batteries.

But we are more than happy to support even cleaner technologies when they appear.

Hypx,
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@NVEVA A tiny, 1-2 kWh battery. The BEV cult has poisoned the well on alternative options with misinformation. In reality, they need to look at the limitations of their own idea.

NVEVA,
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@Hypx I find the term “poisoning the well” a bit extreme. But what are the other technologies available?

To be honest, all the studies I’ve seen, hydrogen is impractical because of the energy required to make it, the low energy density, the high reactivity, and its small size means it easily leaks. But we are open to new information.

Can you post references and studies showing these conclusions to be incorrect?

Hypx,
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@NVEVA In the short run, there are other types of EVs, namely hybrids and PHEVs, that can be implemented faster. BEV fanatics have demonized them, and are pushing for 100% BEVs, even when it is impractical. This is really about pushing a product, not coming up with a solution to emissions.

There are no "studies" suggesting hydrogen is impractical. Mostly it is BEV propaganda disguised as studies. In reality, FCEVs already exist right now and work 100% as viable cars. /1

Hypx,
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@NVEVA Since FCEVs are also EVs, but without the giant battery, they will likely be much cheaper to produce. They will also be cheap to operate, following expansion of green energy and infrastructure buildout.

It is reasonable to assume that FCEVs will be the cheapest type of EV to drive at some point in the future. Some studies have suggested this:

https://www2.deloitte.com/cn/en/pages/about-deloitte/articles/pr-fcevs-to-be-cheaper-to-run-than-bevs-and-ice-vehicles-within-10-years.html

stib,
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@Hypx
You're both kinda missing the point that the EV that we really need to be switching to looks like one of these. Private cars cause so many problems; changing their power source doesn't fix them.
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Hypx,
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@stib @NVEVA Sure, mass transit is a better idea. You can even have directly electrified vehicles like trolleybuses.

But eventually, you will need cars for special cases. Those special cases do not favor BEVs, which really exist in a area where mass transit makes more sense.

NVEVA,
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@Hypx then how are we supposed to believe you, and support the idea? There must be studies or reports that support your view.

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