Yes. Either all genocides are worthy of stopping, or no genocides are worthy of fighting against. That next bullet we send Israel could end up lodged in a Palestinian child's head thanks to an Israeli sniper. #Palestine
@figstick@israel@palestine I mean yeah, but also the money "going to Ukraine" is evenly divided up between US military contractors and the rest is stolen by Ukrainian politicians. I can back up what I'm saying here with evidence. This entire war was fomented by the US since 2014 and we've resorted to using it to push Europe away from Asia, and make them reliant on our natgas shipments.
@jonburr@israel@palestine@figstick I find it interesting you ask if I'm saying that there wasn't a more friendly-to-Russia president PRE-COUP (then what was the point of the coup lol? Ukrainian courts themselves have exposed the role of coup plotters in the Maidan it was not some organic thing). Because even if we go off your premises, I'm simply reminding you that throwing aid at Ukraine is ineffective EVEN IF WE HAD A FUNCTIONING MILITARY INFRASTRUCTURE. We don't. I would likely bore you by explaining how "cost plus" military contracting works, but it leads to feature-overloaded unmanufacturable materiel that can't outmatch an enemy which has 10% of the arms budget we do.
The 2014 coup ultimately triggered a massive civil war and Ukraine lost much of its own army. If you want to talk about protecting the country, they started bombing kids in Donbass for 8 years, Russia was pretty reluctant to act if you ask me. 😁 Putin is concerned with profit. He still tried to sell titanium thru rail lines in Ukraine throughout much of this. Incredible stuff. Now as a result of neocons pressuring Russia he is more friendly to third-world countries in the African Sahel 😂
Manufacturing in first world countries (Russia is a developing nation, remember! Same GDP as Texas in ~2017) is weighed down by healthcare, legal, and housing costs that are also integrated into a debt market. 80% of US central bank income is mortgages not lending to industry. Globalization and corruption make sending weapons to "defend Ukraine" untenable even if it weren't just throwing money into a black hole of corruption and neonazi militias and mercenaries from the West.
The results have been catastrophic. I could go on for hours if you're serious about this. I can do this while I shop for paper towels buddy!
Brian Boyenger did not come out of the womb as a killer. He was a normal young man in Winston-Salem, North Carolina, before he joined the U.S. Army. It was there that he learned his trade, working under one of the most brutal commanders in the Army. Like many young Americans, he joined the Army in the wake of America’s illegal full-scale invasion of Iraq and was deployed in the country for 14 months starting in 2006 as part of the 3rd Brigade Combat Team of the 101st Airborne Division. The 3rd BCT is the remnant of the former 187th Airborne, also known as “Rakkasans,” which was merged into the 101st but retained its traditions.
http://www.defenddemocracy.press/top-us-official-hails-nord-stream-2-blast/> During a Senate hearing on Thursday, Nuland was asked by Senator Ted Cruz (R-TX) whether his legislation aimed at sanctioning the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline, which was voted down in January 2022, could have stopped the conflict before it began.
“Like you, I am, and I think the administration is, very gratified to know that Nord Stream 2 is now, as you like to say, a hunk of metal at the bottom of the sea,” Nuland said.
However the responsibility is allocated between local ethno-nationalists and U.S. patrons and funders, the Maidan coup propelled Ukraine down a disastrous path, the end result of which is still unclear, but is likely to leave much of the country devastated and much of the pre-coup territory lost and roughly divided along ethnic lines.
The author wrote this in 2022 and the RAND Corporation later that year began writing about how giving up territory to Russia wouldn't violate intl law more than they already had by taking a teensy bit 😁 I'd rate it "prescient"
@sordid the Ukaine coup's financiers pictured below. McCain and Graham, who were also the Libyan LIFG's (ISIS) paymasters and US liasions @israel@palestine@jonburr@figstick
Again you are ignoring that the populations in the east were targeted by bombings and raids by Banderites.
Russians were extremely willing to settle for just Crimea and Donetsk and Luhansk even in 2023. It is literally too late to negotiate now, especially since Patriot missiles are being diverted to Israel. Most likely Ukraine will be turned into a rump state on the extreme west end by Kiev, or that will be absorbed into Poland.
Each of the points I just made can, again, be backed up by links if you have the time to read them. Links which cite Washington and Kiev's own words. I'm happy to explain why I hold what I see as the correct deescalatory antiwar position.
We can't just overlook indiscriminate bombing of civilians and terrorist attacks deep into Russia with long range weapons and ignore the immediate escalation Russia takes to show their level of cost investiture has risen in accordance with the risks of inaction (ESPECIALLY WHEN WE SEND LONG-RANGE WEAPONS AND WHEELED ARTILLERY).
Pacifist argumentation itself is folly. Pretending other people will submit to pacifist arguments is insanity. United Russia party follows well-understood realpolitik.
Time to consider what the neocons really wanted out of all this. Want to see a Children's Hospital on auction by Blackrock? Might still be up.
@jonburr@israel@palestine@figstick I think I used the word investiture wrong here so to be clear I mean "investment" 😁
It's the same thing with Iran, people who only read shit like the New York Times and the Guardian only hear about the retaliation against imperialist aggression. They never hear about our aggression, even if it's direct and military. Let alone our triangulation through the world financial system and institutions like the UN and World Bank and ICJ/ICC and IMF where we hold preeminent positions.
Then they start reciting whatever our "human rights" NGOs and Heideggerian philosophers like Hannah Arendt told them about "the evil dictator led regimes" and get all hopped up on bombing freedom into them. I mean how old are you, were you around for Libya like another commenter mentioned? I'm probably a lot younger than you Jon!
Why do you think those regions seceded from Ukraine? We deliberately put a government into power that was hostile to the Russian population of their country. We did this.
You know nothing about this country save for what is put on your plate by Washington Post, and you feel superior to someone who's read far more of its history than you, because of your ignorance. Why are liberals so fervently anti-intellectual? I never insulted you. I guess you feel belittled by superior argumentation. There was no time limit, but you have failed to come up with a response, then resigned. This is a comprehensive definition of a mindless blowhard driven by rage and jingoism if there ever was one. You will be lost in confusion as the Rules Based International order continues to implode. One day you may remember how many people there were who tried to warn you about the ground shifting under your feet. The 1000 year age of Europe is over.
Liberals are hopelessly stupid, shaped by the media around them, and only understand things in terms of good guys vs the big evil villain. The propaganda machine very well abuses this fact, while these low intelligence liberals are incapable of seeing the problem with it since they are incapable of thinking in any other way.
They form their identities in their stupidity. It hurts them both foundationally and materially to accept that they're wrong, since they have formed their relationships with their communities based on the product mutual stupidity. For them to change would be a violent upturn, much like a person born and raised in a religious cult having a sudden fallout from said cult. It can entail ostracism, loss of peers, loss of shelter... Others are like priests that get to fancy themselves leaders and abuse their concubines, motivated to believe their own lies where they're otherwise worthless.
Think of how many liberals have family members in the military or are military members themselves-- much like the nazis, they convince themselves they are good guys to persist. Think of how many people's only hopes are to somehow 'make it' in a liberal economy, especially when they have dependents? How many people are just uglier, less intelligent (as liberals tend to be), talentless... and their way of signaling value is capital, either by relentlessly chasing it or at least being committed to it, like a dumb and ugly person that gravitates towards faithful piety and commitment to Yahweh or something.
Liberals are anti-intellectual cowards as a survival mechanism, much like a person dependent on welfare most often cannot afford to go up in the tax bracket.
Liberals live an embarrassing and wholly undignified existence, and the best thing you can do to them is scam them and give to communities that need more. They will violently stand against revolution and progress, and as such deserve all the violence and terror they often invite.
The "little green men" thing also strikes me as a genuine motte-and-bailey strategy (not the way conservatives use that term to disparage anyone they find distasteful demanding civil rights). It's just a veiled insult against the people of Eastern Ukraine who have suffered through the "counterintelligence" strategy that evolved from British and Belgians slaughtering resistance in Malaysia and the Congo. They just tie people to trees with their whole family, often stripping them and leaving them exposed to abuse and the winter temperatures, or passersby honking at them. Literally strategies used by ISIS. And their torture is clearly descended from Operation Condor. Read at your own risk: https://sputnikglobe.com/20230721/the-truth-about-ukrainian-war-crimes-against-donbass-civilians-1112031958.html https://en.sputniknews.africa/20230521/1059381437.html
@jonburr@israel@palestine@figstick Jon didn't you already say goodbye? You have to choose between making no argument and acting smug. I get to feel smug because I'm making better arguments than you, try it.
You think they need people to go and impersonate being Mastodon nerds? The Russian govt has barely even engaged in the infowar over this, and clumsily when they do. They just post videos of drones hitting things most of the time. Russian politicians do not read books like The Dialectics of Dependency, or NATO's Secret Armies. They have focused on domestic affairs and building rapport with other countries in the global periphery. Their trade with Africa & China has skyrocketed. Propagandizing Westerners doesn't help them when we've officially launched sanctions against them. Instead they benefit from cross-linking global south countries to build financial networks outside Washington's reach, which can also launder trade thru to the west anyways. When I say the 1000 year age of Europe is over I mean the colonial top-down system that persists through financialization. is being permanently upended.
What I find frustrating is that people are unwilling to humor cross-referencing between Kiev and Washington's statements. Same thing happened when Doug Valentine (@dougvalentine77) cross-referenced South Vietnamese police with CIA officers (back when it was possible to access them for interview - a whole different era TBH), his work was stolen, then sensationalized (instead of a systematic counterintelligence program, My Lai was just an outburst of violence), stripped of analytical value by people like Seymour Hersh (who today try to frame Moscow as "unresponsive to US terror alerts" which expired weeks and weeks before the Crocus hall attack) and Daniel Ellsberg. Meanwhile Gary Webb lost his whole career and Doug Valentine is still just an obscure author. There is just a total unwillingness to accept anything outside the Associated Press stamp of approval.
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