CelloMomOnCars,
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Dominion wind project gets final 2 permits

"The facility, 25 miles in the Atlantic off the Oceanfront, will have 176 turbines capable of generating enough electricity to power up to 660,000 homes.

The more than $9 billion project is due to come on line in 2026."


https://richmond.com/news/state-regional/government-politics/dominion-energy-offshore-wind-virginia-beach/article_70be5e70-bf7f-11ee-a0d1-2baecbf317bd.html

CelloMomOnCars,
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Offshore wind is not dead, far from it.

"The New Jersey Board of Public Utilities (BPU) approved two power projects with a combined capacity of 3,742-megawatts (MW) and whose backers include Invenergy and TotalEnergies.

The BPU said the two projects would bring about $6.8 billion in economic benefits to the state and provide enough energy to power around 1.8 million homes.

In total, the state wants about 11,000 MW of offshore wind power by 2040."

https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/nj-okays-two-offshore-wind-power-projects-proposed-by-attentive-invenergy-2024-01-24/

CelloMomOnCars,
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Same story as in NJ:
Whales struck by ships

"A collection of conservative groups filed a lawsuit to put a stop to Dominion Energy's Coastal Virginia Offshore Wind Turbine project. They're arguing the project could impact endangered whales.

Multiple dead whales washed up on Virginia shores two weeks ago.
Scientists said, however, those whales had signs of ship strikes.
A spokesperson for Dominion Energy told News 3 the issues raised in the lawsuit have "no merit.""

https://www.wtkr.com/news/whales-v-wind-turbines-opponents-hope-to-shut-down-virginia-beach-offshore-wind-farm-project

jd,
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@CelloMomOnCars
Conservative groups exhibiting support for wildlife? Must be an April Fool joke.

CelloMomOnCars,
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There's a reason the anti-offshore-wind arguments sound familiar:

"The [researchers] say the “report reveals how these East Coast offshore wind opponents are not solely local – they are embedded in a network of seasoned fossil fuel interests and climate denial think tanks that have perfected obstruction tactics for decades.”

One striking aspect of the anti-OSW network is the sharing of tactics and rhetoric, both in mainstream media and on social networks, said Slevin."

https://www.nationalfisherman.com/northeast/brown-university-researchers-map-anti-offshore-wind-movement

CelloMomOnCars,
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"Danish wind energy developer Ørsted and the utility Eversource plan to build a 924-megawatt project, , 30 miles (48 kilometers) east of Montauk, New York. They say the wind farm will power about 600,000 New York homes when it opens in 2026."

https://apnews.com/article/offshore-wind-orsted-eversource-sunrise-wind-biden-clean-energy-8e53ffaa030eee350b0d186029f3d81c

CelloMomOnCars, (edited )
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You know that "windmills kill birds" crap?
That's part of the fossil fuel industry's smear campaign against clean wind energy.

"A study to be published in 2024 found that wind farms had no statistically significant effect on bird counts. But another kind of energy did. Fracking reduced the total number of birds counted in near shale and oil production sites by 15%."

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/investigations/2024/02/04/green-energy-fact-checked/72390472007/

[Edit to add]
It's the same with the "windmills kill whales" crap.

ElBeeToots,
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@CelloMomOnCars With whales, it's the cats as well, isn't it? 😬

CelloMomOnCars,
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@ElBeeToots

Yes!
Okay, only the fat cats.

The ones that make huge profits off shipping*, selling us goods we don't need, and selling the fossil fuels that power that whole machine.
Sure, it's those cats.

*see up and down this thread for how ships kill whales.

ElBeeToots,
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Chancerubbage,
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@CelloMomOnCars

‘Image’ of American Bald Eagle killed by Wind Farm has been propagating on Facebook lately. Typical election year tactics.

CelloMomOnCars,
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@Chancerubbage

Whenever you see one you might comment with a link to one of the articles in this thread.

This is why I keep these threads: so I can pull out the relevant link whenever I need one.

aardvark,
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@Chancerubbage @CelloMomOnCars cats kill birds, but probably not many eagles

CelloMomOnCars,
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@aardvark @Chancerubbage

Climate change kills eagles too.

"Over the past 50 years, bald eagles in the U.S. have returned from the brink of extinction. Now, the birds perch on tree branches over rivers and lakes across much of the country.

But as the climate changes, eagles will face new challenges."

https://yaleclimateconnections.org/2023/07/how-climate-change-could-hurt-bald-eagles/

Andreas_Sturm,
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@CelloMomOnCars How many billions of wild animals have been killed by the whole "petroleheadsystem"?! Just asking.

ToniScott,
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@CelloMomOnCars
Those statistics are guesswork based on extrapolations, not facts.

troglodyt,
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@ToniScott @CelloMomOnCars

what's the difference?

ToniScott,
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@troglodyt @CelloMomOnCars
Nobody knows how many birds have been killed by any of those means, because it would be impossible to count them. It is an extrapolation from a small sample. Extrapolations are not facts; They are guesses.

CelloMomOnCars,
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@ToniScott @troglodyt

Ya that's how polls work too:
Pew, Gallup et al. ask 1000 Americans.

They tell you so.
You can also tell because the accuracy of the polls is ± 3 percent, which is 1/sqrt (1000).

troglodyt,
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@ToniScott @CelloMomOnCars

how does that differ from fact?

ToniScott,
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@CelloMomOnCars @troglodyt
It would be a fact if every cat were monitored and their bird consumption recorded. That didn’t happen. It is not a fact.

https://www.npr.org/sections/13.7/2013/02/03/170851048/do-we-really-know-that-cats-kill-by-the-billions-not-so-fast

CelloMomOnCars,
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@ToniScott

Okay.
So you also don't believe medical studies, or polls, or anything that extrapolates from a small sample, even thought that science is well developed.

I'm not the one who's going to convince you otherwise.
Also, You're not the one who's going to convince me to ditch the science.

@troglodyt

CelloMomOnCars,
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@ToniScott

That's from a peer reviewed journal. You tell me where to find peer reviewed work that says otherwise, and I pledge to read it carefully.

If you don't produce a link, I will forget you made that comment, it sounds like something the fossil fuel industry would say.

@troglodyt

minfer,
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@CelloMomOnCars @ToniScott @troglodyt Agree. I do do follow closely a bird protection environmental group here in Spain (SEO Birdlife) and they have documented many bird crashes and do not agree with you, specially when windmills are placed near or in endangered birds area.

Sorry my link is in Spanish.

And no, I am not against renewables.

https://www.elconfidencial.com/medioambiente/energia/2022-01-11/seo-birdlife-lleva-a-los-tribunales-tres-parques-eolicos_3355949/

troglodyt,
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@minfer @CelloMomOnCars @ToniScott

sorry, my spanish is really bad, but that looks like a business magazine rather than a scientific journal

minfer,
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@troglodyt @CelloMomOnCars @ToniScott It is. It’s this environmental group taking to court one of those sites. Let me look for a link to them, hopefully it’s in English or you can use a translator 😊

CelloMomOnCars,
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@minfer @troglodyt @ToniScott

But I asked for a peer reviewed journal article, or a news article describing one.

CelloMomOnCars,
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@minfer @troglodyt @ToniScott

Like this:

https://climate.mit.edu/ask-mit/do-wind-turbines-kill-birds

Because it's an MIT publication, of course it links to not one but half a dozen peer reviewed journal papers.

They all say that the threat of wind turbines to birds is way less than other threats, particularly those related to the fossil fuel industry.

Thanks to @aardvark for the link.

aardvark,
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marknovakusa,
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@CelloMomOnCars I am sharing it

CelloMomOnCars,
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@marknovakusa

Thank you!
It's a DIY fight now to counter the disinformation put out by the increasingly desperate oil and gas industry.

See the rest of the thread on how they pollute the discussion around offshore wind by invoking dead whales (most died from being run over by ships).

grillchen,
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@CelloMomOnCars house cats are incredible bad for local wildlife. australia starts hunting those en mass

CelloMomOnCars,
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While windmills do kill birds (not many, see above), not a single whale has been killed by offshore wind turbines. However:

"Since late 2022, anti-offshore wind groups have weaponized incidents of whales washing ashore on beaches along the East Coast. A growing network of anti-offshore wind actors with documented ties to the oil & gas industry has been swift to exploit these tragedies," even though it's ships that kill the whales.

https://climatenexus.org/climate-issues/offshore-wind-whales-disinfo/

adritheonly,
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@CelloMomOnCars
Also, simple autopsies will confirm that plastics account for many whale deaths. Plastics made from oil...

ariaflame,
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@CelloMomOnCars The pollution from oil & gas spills and the water heating etc. from climate change certainly isn't doing the whales any good.
And just my pedant. Wind turbines. Wind mills are for grinding grain and are a bit old school.

CelloMomOnCars,
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@ariaflame

It is the heating waters that made the whales' food move - into the shipping lanes.

But "wind turbines", while correct, doesn't rhyme. As in,

"Offshore wind mills,
or offshore oil drills:
Your choice."

😂

vfrmedia,
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@CelloMomOnCars @ariaflame if a whale or other marine mammal is washed up here (or closer to London), it is usually due to a collision from entering shipping lanes, the turbines are 50-100 km away from where the whales are ending up.

Even the well fed cats round here don't catch as many birds these days, I've seen them sleeping in gardens with all sorts of birds twittering above their heads..

CelloMomOnCars,
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"A federal court has rejected the appeal filed by a group of residents aimed at stopping the energy project southwest of the island."

“At this point, there is no scientific evidence that noise resulting from offshore wind site characterization surveys could potentially cause mortality of whales,” NOAA states. “There are no known links between recent large whale mortalities and ongoing offshore wind surveys."

https://nantucketcurrent.com/news/federal-court-rejects-nantucket-groups-appeal-of-vineyard-wind-project

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