teft, (edited )
@teft@lemmy.world avatar

Just like the human eye can only register 60fps and no more, your computer can only register 4gb of RAM and no more. Anything more than that is just marketing.

Fucking /S since you clowns can’t tell.

TheRedSpade,

This is only true if you’re still using a 32 bit cpu, which almost nobody is. 64 bit cpus can use up to 16 million TB of RAM.

teft,
@teft@lemmy.world avatar

Sorry I forgot to put my giant /s.

Sibbo,

With PAE, a 32 bit CPU can also use more, but each process is still limited to 4GiB

TimeSquirrel, (edited )
TimeSquirrel avatar

This is only true if you’re still using a 32 bit cpu

Bank switching to "fake" the ability to access more address space was a big thing in the 80s...so it's technically possible to access addresses that are wider than the address bus by dividing it up into portions that it can see.

Kelo,
@Kelo@lemmy.world avatar

Human eye can’t see more than 1080p anyway, so what’s the point

starman,
@starman@programming.dev avatar

It doesn’t matter honestly, everyone knows humans can’t see screens at all

AtariDump,

Their vision is based on movement.

SomeBoyo,

It honestly doesn’t matter, reality only exists in your imagination anyway.

rustydrd,
@rustydrd@sh.itjust.works avatar

Human eye can’t see more than 8-bit colors anyway, so what’s the point

pennomi,

That’s not sarcasm, it’s misinformation. Not surprising that people downvoted you even though it was just a joke.

starman,
@starman@programming.dev avatar

I don’t think that somebody actually read that computers can’t register more then 4GiB of RAM and then thought

That’s totally true, because u/toty said it is

pennomi,

It certainly used to be true, in the era of 32 bit computers.

fuckwit_mcbumcrumble,

That’s what makes it a joke. Does anyone here unironcally think the human eye can only see 60 fps or that more than 4 gigs of ram is just marketing?

MonkderDritte,

Jokes on you, because i looked into this once. I don’t know the exact ms the light-sensitive rods in human eyes need to refresh the chemical anymore but it resulted in about 70 fps, so about 13 ms i guess (the color-sensitive cones are far slower). But psycho-optical effects can drive that number up to 100 fps in LCD displays. Though it looks like you can train yourself with certain computer tasks to follow movements with your eye, being far more sensible to flickering.

captain_aggravated,
@captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works avatar

Does that refresh take place across the entire eye simultaneously or is each rod and/or cone doing its own thing?

teft,
@teft@lemmy.world avatar

Are your eyeballs progressive scan or interlaced, son?

MonkderDritte,

There’s a neuron layer trimming data down to squeeze it through the optical nerve, so… no clue.

iopq,

It’s not about training, eye tracking is just that much more sensitive to pixels jumping

You can immediately see choppy movement when you look around in a 1st person view game. Or if it’s an RTS you can see the trail behind your mouse anyway

I can see this choppiness at 280 FPS. The only way to get rid of it is to turn on strobing, but that comes with double images at certain parts of the screen

Just give me a 480 FPS OLED with black frame insertion already, FFS

MonkderDritte,

Well, i do not follow movements (jump to the target) with my eyes and see no difference between 30 and 60 FPS, run comfortably Ark Survival on my iGPU at 20 FPS. And i’m still pretty good in shooters.

Yeah, it’s bad that our current tech stack doesn’t allow to just change image where change happens.

SorryQuick,

According to this study, the eye can see a difference as high as 500 fps. While this is a specific scenario, it’s a scenario that could possibly happen in a video game, so I guess it means we can go to around 500 hz monitors before it becomes too much or unnessessary.

Ravenson,

As somebody with a System76 laptop, I’m feeling personally attacked.

Veneroso,

Jokes on you, here’s my memory architecture:

zmescience.com/…/black-holes-store-information-00…

soulsource,
@soulsource@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

It really depends on what you are doing with your system…

On my main PC I want the full Linux Desktop experience, including some Gnome tools that require webkit - and since I am running Gentoo, installing/updating webkit takes a lot of RAM - I would recommend 32 GiB at least.

My laptop on the other hand is an MNT Reform, powered by a Banana Pi CM4 with merely 4 GiB of memory. There I am putting in some effort to keep the system lightweight, and that seems to work well for me up to now. As long as I can avoid installing webkit or compiling the Rust compiler from source, I am perfectly happy with 4 GiB. So happy actually, that I currently don’t feel the need to upgrade the Reform to the newly released RK3588 processor module, despite it being a lot faster and it having 32 GiB of memory.

Oh, and last, but not least, my work PC… I’m doing Unreal game development at work, and there the 64 GiB main memory and 8 GiB VRAM I have are the absolute bare minimum. If it were an option, I would prefer to have 128 GiB of RAM, and 16 GiB of VRAM, to prevent swapping and to prevent spilling of VRAM into main memory…

Melody,

Now snap some pics of this kitty laying in different places all over this couch; you now have a new meme: Address Space Layout Randomization.

Emerald,

Reminds me of a comment I made a few days ago that some people thought was a joke but nope, I was being serious.

lemmy.world/comment/9852161

Veneroso,

I sent you a little love via a reply. And an updoot.

possiblylinux127,

32gb is just enough for a homelab

LovePoson,
@LovePoson@lemmy.world avatar

I got a 64gb proxmox homelab though, its pretty neat!

Dianoga,

I’m rocking a 128 GB Unraid system and it’s pure joy.

Its also only like 25% utilized I think…

LovePoson,
@LovePoson@lemmy.world avatar

Heh. Nice. I mostly use mine with vgpu to have 4 remote gaming instances

umbraroze,

About 10 years ago I was like “FINE, clearly 512MB of memory isn’t enough to avoid swapping hell, I’ll get 1 GB of extra memory.” …and that was that!

These days I’m like “4 GB on a single board computer? Oh that’s fine. You may need that much to run a browser. And who’s going to run a browser regularly on a SBC? …oh I’ve done it a lot of times and it’s… fine.”

The thing I learned is that you can run a whole bunch of SHIT HOT server software on a system with less than a gigabyte of memory. The moment you run a web browser? FUCK ALL THAT.

And that’s basically what I found out long ago. I had a laptop that had like 32 megs of memory. Could be a perfectly productive person with that. Emacs. Darcs. SSH over a weird USB Wi-Fi dongle. But running a web browser? Can’t do Firefox. Opera kinda worked. Wouldn’t work nowadays, no. But Emacs probably still would.

kevincox,
@kevincox@lemmy.ml avatar

It really depends on the quality of software you are running? A SMTP, IMAP, Mumble, Photoprism, Jellyfin, bittorrent, Tor, Subsonic compatible server, who even remembers what else? Fine. One small Minecraft world? Boom you’re dead.

devfuuu,

Me using jvm based software for work and it barely being enough…

jaschen,

I installed 64gb of ram on my gaming laptop and Chrome took all of it.

CafecitoHippo,

I genuinely don’t know how people are having their web browser use so much ram. How many tabs do you have open? Even at work where I run a commercial loan origination system and our core customer system in a web browser, at most I’ll have 15-20 tabs open. I don’t know how people are having dozens and dozens of tabs open that they’re using 64 gb of RAM.

atlasraven31,

One user had 7500 tabs open at once.

jaschen,

In my case, along with using my laptop as a regular PC, I also use this as my work computer. I contract for multiple companies and each window has tabs for each web software for every company, organized by consolidated tabs. So Google analytics, Crazyegg, tableau, and docs, calendar, etc. I also do web testing and each tab has tests.

I find that Edge does a better job at memory management so it’s now my primary and I test on Chrome.

mp3,
@mp3@lemmy.ca avatar

4GB of RAM: load a model into llama.cpp

Explodes

bruhduh,
@bruhduh@lemmy.world avatar

Apple be like: our 4gb is like 16gb from others

maeries,

That’s right. Prize wise

Aux,

If your Linux is not using 99% of RAM, then it’s misconfigured.

Ghostalmedia,
@Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world avatar

Got it. Removing RAM modules now.

Illecors,

Thanks for giving a genuine smile :)

sudo,

Running and LSP on a monorepo will destroy those 4gigs no problem.

lolcatnip,

Monorepos are cancer. Too bad I have no choice about it at work.

Gluten6970,

my install regularly balloons to 24gb… it’s probably zoom’s fault, but still

flying_sheep,
@flying_sheep@lemmy.ml avatar

When in doubt, blame zoom. The sheer amount of completely different outlandish weird bugs and glitches as well as the fact that they were told what the correct API for screen sharing on Linux is just for them to completely ignore that and do something weird, specific, niche and bad instead … I’ve never seen something like that since like Windows xp.

I’m completely convinced they have absolutely no idea what they’re doing on the frontend (app and web) and just have the latest newbie hire hack things together until it kinda works on their machine.

wonderfulvoltaire,

We apps are the future for proprietary crap

Legisign,

That’s nice… if you only plan to run a bare operating system. Try processing some big-ass data files with R.

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