Moderation / Rules of "news" community?

I can't seem to find anything in a sidebar or sticky thread that talks about the moderation / rules of the news community. I'm very interested in coming to this community to learn about news, but right now it seems whats being posted tends to be relatively low (lower?) quality.

Examples of common rules

  • Use the same titles as the article itself
  • No blog spam, link to the source
  • Political news, should go to the political community
  • No dupes of same topic

As an example, take a look at other news aggregators that focus on news.

My goal here isn't tell people what to do but its start a conversation on the topic.

dominoko,
dominoko avatar

Using the same title as a linked article is a good rule. I don't necessarily believe all submissions should have to be linked to an article though. If someone is at the scene, as it happens, then their first hand account is valuable too.

nyakojiru,
@nyakojiru@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

I don’t know but, Remember to… beehave … you know is like a bee but that does things like the queen orders …

TofuSauce,

I would like fo the country to be added to the title (or as tags if that exits on lemmy), like [USA], [FR] or [World]. We are an international community so it'd help filter out the news of country you are not interested in.

banner80,

I'm a mod at /truenews @reddit

It's hard to keep a healthy news sub because of so much polarization, and so much subpar stuff that's called "news". I can point to 2 successful examples that handled it differently.

At truenews https://www.reddit.com/r/truenews/We simply ask for quality sources. You can read the sidebar for the rules. Basically we demand that all news posts are actually from reputable news sources. We provide an explanation of what that means and tons of valid examples. Then we mod to remove non-valid sources, and work with posters to help them understand the rules. If a user is having trouble getting used to the rules, we ask them to stick to the 2 dozen recommended sources we provided.

Another example is neutralnews https://www.reddit.com/r/neutralnews/This is a very clean sub because it went a very strict way. Not only are all posts expected to be from valid sources, but any comment is expected to contribute something useful (so no jokes or venting), and all claims in comments have to be substantiated. This sub is very hard to moderate and it can also be hard on participants because so many comments get deleted until users get the hang of the rules. But the benefit is that it enables real discussion from any angle of politics because people are blocked from repeating party lines and memes, and instead have to argue their point with sources. Some of the most useful political discussions I've seen have happened in this sub, due to the requirement for good faith arguments with sources.

HeapOfDogs,

Thanks for sharing. I was hoping people with hands on modding experience would talk a bit about what they have seen. It's interesting to hear all the different viewpoints.

Drusas,

I would also say that a Twitter post is not news, but unfortunately a lot of politicians have not gotten that notice yet.

Powderhorn,
@Powderhorn@beehaw.org avatar

It's more nuanced than that. A tweet can be news:

[insert Twitter citation in all caps about the Big One hitting somewhere in Southern California]

But a story we're going to have enough to discuss is going to need to wait a bit.

Also, I've seen a lot of tweets with links to relevant news where the reaction before the link is the news or the link requires the context provided by the tweet to make any sense.

alanine96,

What do people think of a "journalistic integrity" rule? I know that's also subjective, but I'm trying to think of how to phrase a rule that is basically "don't post intentionally incendiary crap". I guess the rule could just be "don't post intentionally incendiary crap", with some examples of what that means and community opportunities to in some way indicate that an article is incendiary crap.

crossmr,

No editorials or articles which are little more than third party editorials.

Editorials usually end up as:

Someone has an opinion, this isn't news.

Articles which are little more than:

This bloke has an opinion and I'm going to write about it! (which is often a negative topic) also isn't news and something that worldnews on reddit struggled with. The sub was constantly flooded with topics which were just: Joe Blowhard thinks everyone sucks and some other right wing nonsense.

There was no news there either than a third party stating that someone else had an opinion.

Powderhorn,
@Powderhorn@beehaw.org avatar

Rules make for great starting points, but consider that people are at different levels when it comes to their understanding of what news is.

Use the same titles as the article itself

Good rule unless the hed is useless or sensationalized. This likely means you have the wrong source, but now we're in the realm of editorial discretion, which is not historically the strongest skill the public at large has developed.

No blog spam, link to the source

Subjective. Doctorow's piece on enshittification was a blog post.

Political news, should go to the political community

Again, expecting people to know the difference is a big ask outside of a newsroom.

No dupes of same topic

Same URL, sure. But tick-tocks are not the same as analysis and generally garner a different sort of discussion.

alyaza, (edited )
@alyaza@beehaw.org avatar

we'll sticky this for a bit and sort of gauge where people are at, then go from there

ptz,
@ptz@dubvee.org avatar

From a combatting misinformation perspective:

If we’re drafting rules here, I’d like to suggest a rule that the original article URL should be the one used for the post, even if it’s to a paywalled source. It helps immensely in vetting sources without first having to click into an obfuscated archive link. I’m all for sidestepping paywalls, but I think it would be beneficial to have the archive link in the post body instead.

Part of my media literacy protocol is establishing that the source is trustworthy, and it gets annoying / tedious clicking into an archive link only to find out the source is “Jimbob’s REEL TRUTH NEWZ”.

I’m also on the fence about linking to YouTube (and similar) videos as news sources.

abhibeckert,

I’m all for this as a soft rule, but so many articles have terrible headlines that it can’t be a fixed one.

Also, a lot of the news sites I follow do A/B testing on every title. So every article has two titles.

ffmike,
@ffmike@beehaw.org avatar

Avoiding dupes is, I think, an important one. We've had multiple instances on Beehaw of the same story showing up more than once. If you try to post a duplicate link, Lemmy will let you know (by showing the previous copies to you as crossposts). It's harder to make sure you're not posting the second or third story from a different source on the same topic. Perhaps we can just encourage people to search before posting.

I'd like the rules to at least ask people to add an image description in their original post. https://beehaw.org/post/686974 would be good to link to here.

And given the nature of many posts in the news, I think it would be good for this community to remind people to be(e) nice in their discussions.

admin,

See the philosophy posts that are in the sidebar of the main feed. More specifically, The spirit of the rules.

HeapOfDogs,

I don't disagree with this philosophy. Its more that I believe a few simple rules could go a long way to raising the quality of this community. For example if I walk into a library there is the notion of being nice (quiet, polite, respectful of others) - but I still assume the shelves are well organized.

I have no issue if people disagree, but maybe consider at least a note in the sidebar talking a little about what this community is about?

UrLogicFails,
@UrLogicFails@beehaw.org avatar

One of the rules I liked from the /r/games community was one of the rules you mentioned here: "Use the same titles as the article itself." I think all the rules you mentioned here are definitely good ground rules as well.

Personally, I would also like to see people adopting the body portion of Lemmy posts to summarize the article, or quote a meaty part of the article; but that could also be used for misleading purposes, so I'm not sure if that's a good idea without some level of oversight.

chloyster,

I have never moderated a community, so I don't know the ins and outs of certain rules, but a rule for the same title as the article itself I think is a solid idea.

A politics rule seems like it would be hard to me, as there are a lot of stories that could fall into a grey area?

Detry, (edited )
Detry avatar

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Syldon,

One man's rubbish is another man's treasure. Don't over moderate imo.

HeapOfDogs,

What about light weight rules like 'no politics'. Ie, a post like this (https://beehaw.org/post/792997) should go to politics?

Veraxus,
Veraxus avatar

“Politics” as a categorization is - like art - subjective and open to interpretation. It’s a rule that can result only in abuse.

Powderhorn,
@Powderhorn@beehaw.org avatar

Is it subjective, though? Politics is what people do up until someone or a group commits an act of governance, at which point it's news. Reactions are right back to politics.

AnotherPerson,

In the United States (at least) the whole point of a free press is to keep politicians in check. You can't separate the news from politics.

Bozicus,

I disagree with that definition of news. Keeping politicians accountable is certainly one of the functions of the press, but there are a lot of possible news items that don’t refer to politicians. “Winter storms hit [location]” is news, but not related to politicians unless it talks about steps local politicians are taking to prevent storm damage (which is not necessary for a good article). Or “Physicists find [particle they were looking for].” That one could be in Science rather than here, but it is definitely news, and I personally think it’s hard to shoehorn politics into a discussion of particle physics without losing track of what actually happened. Very few politicians involve themselves in that kind of research (though, to be fair, it might be news if they did).

Whether it’s possible to have a purely apolitical news forum is a different question, and I am sure it’s possible to put a political spin on almost anything if you want, but I just don’t think it’s true that news must be political to be news.

Syldon,

No politics is very subjective. Look at the news from Russia in the last few days. That was highly political, and yet very much news everyone had an interest in. Trump's ongoing indictment is another political game being played, and yet most want to know about it. It is a difficult one to navigate. Me personally I would say politics that has an effect on the people of a nation is news. Inter-party shenanigans is not news for anyone but those who take an avid interest.

HeapOfDogs,

Agreed. Also to be clear, my goal isn't to suppress this information. My goal is just to make sure the article ends up in the right spot so that the audience that is interested can find it. Example, https://beehaw.org/c/politics

Izzgo,

Political news is different from discussions where people take political sides and fall into sparring (at best) or political spin.

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