How will the logistics of this work? Are there fast-food restaurants that would accept a privileged Karen with anger management issues as a member of their team? After all, they have a business with tight margins to run, and this sounds like a huge liability.
Good luck finding someone to hire you for only two months as punishment for abuse. I’m sure they’re scrambling for predetermined extremely short term employment from a toxic pile.
Many, many fast food restaurants are super short staffed because no one wants to do the job at the current market rate. If she actually tried she could find one in a day.
As long as this is only for this one case I’m ok with it, but I really don’t want to see this become a trend to force people to work for these companies who are unwilling to pay willing workers a sufficient wage.
It was an optional punishment that she chose over doing 90 days in jail. I don’t fear it becoming a trend since most people don’t assault fast food workers in the first place.
Free labor, and keep her away from customers. Cleaning, prepping, whatever. If she causes problems, she violates probation and serves the rest of time in prison. Give the store an incentive to deal with her. With thin margins, I’d take those odds. Fuck threatening to fire; if you fuck up, you go back to prison. “Now clean the damn fryer’s like your freedom depended on it”
She isn’t going to prison. She is getting jail time. If she were that concerned about her 4 kids, she shouldn’t go around assaulting fast food workers.
It’s battery, and the fact that she thought it was a reasonable course of action means that she needs to be given a bit more than a slap on the wrist fine.
I know people might say anger management therapy would be better, but these types of people will never admit that they were in the wrong in the first place. They’ll twist things into a persecution complex.
Making her walk a mile in their shoes is an exceptionally good way to address this kind of behavior, and it’s an alternative to jail time.
But, it’s not like she would be given years in prison for it. It’s basically like a forced timeout. Hell, even 2 weeks in jail might be enough to change things.
While it is funny, I don't think that the punishment for her in this article will really amount to much. If she had the kind of empathy necessary to relate that experience with what she put others through, she wouldn't have done it in the first place.
Whatever customers like herself that she comes across, I think it's a 50/50 whether she spends her time doing nothing but exacerbating problems and causing regular scenes or siding with "her people" and breaking rules, stealing, etc. out of spite.
Agree with MrShankles it has to be under threat of breaking probation to even work. Ultimately, she needs more reform than just receiving identical abuse in turn.
Lots of people only experience empathy for other people when they are directly involved or confronted with those people.
Like all those stories of homophobes who reform after learning a loved one is gay. They need their nose shoved in it before they could even picture someone elses viewpoint, but if you do that then they do empathize.
I mean it is good that she is going to have to see what it is like to work fast food. But I feel so fucking sorry for her co workers. It is going to be hell working with this Karen. And she isn’t going to be there forever so she has no incentive not to be a jackass.
Don’t think of it that way. You’re not saying oh this is terrible so now you have to do this. You’re saying this is a demanding job and you ought to have respect for the people who do it. Give them a little insight into the hardships of the people they’re giving shit
Some people’s everyday lives are punishment. That’s the world we’ve built.
On top of that, there are those who can’t/won’t learn empathy. The only way they can understand is by actually living through it themselves. I think sentences like this should be commonplace for anyone who commits a crime against a service worker.
This was my first thought as well. But on the other hand, I thinks it’s great if we can set aside our desire for punishment/retribution and just increase empathy. (Walk a mile in their shoes)
Maybe on their last day of service, the person they assaulted gets to throw a burrito bowl in their face. Then we get the best of both worlds.
Some little leagues have a similar rule. If a parent verbally abuses an umpire enough that parent must umpire a certain number of games to see just how hard it is. Punishment fits the crime perfectly.
My kids little league tried that, lasted a game before they realized that having a biased ref that doesn’t know the rules doesn’t make for a fun experience for the kids.
One of those sounds great in theory things, which is why it’s probably such a popular fallacy to spread.
Ah that sucks. I guess I should have seen that coming. Some people just won’t learn =/ I wish there was a better way to prevent these parents from ruining the game for everyone.
She’s likely a cunt, but why ruin people’s futures when you can have teachable moments, this sentencing is brilliant and should have been a bit longer.
The amount of people I know who have worked, or currently work, retail and food service yet still treat workers like shit is an indication to me that some people just don’t have a natural capacity for empathy and this sort of teaching moment will not work on them.
This is part of a plea bargain. She had a choice of three months in jail or one month in jail and two months working a fast food job. She had a choice between a “normal” three month sentence or this “unusual” sentence.
One could make the argument that working fast food is less cruel than spending 3 months in Jail. If you claim that fast food is worse then she kind of deserves to make that realization herself.
Good sentencing by the judge and screw the woman who threw the food, but I find it a bit silly to go to therapy for “trauma” caused by having food thrown in your face. If she was burned that’s a different story, but I would assume the article would mention it if that were the case.
Nope, but any one-time interaction with a stranger that doesn’t result in injury is not traumatizing for the vast majority of people. If it is, that just indicates they should have been in therapy already.
My point is you can’t judge the people involved without knowing the people involved, or at least what happened. It’s kinda unreasonable to assume that everyone involved is perfectly average because a significant chunk of the population isn’t part of “the vast majority.”
No, a burrito to the face is physical abuse. Being verbally and physically abused every day of your job is not how jobs are supposed to work, and viewing things like that as silly small things to be affected by is itself pretty damaging.
If I lean across the counter and punch you in the head, you're allowed to have some kind of feeling about that. Especially in a setting that heavily discourages and may even punish defending yourself, the way retail often does.
Convincing yourself it's fine because the world is cruel keeps the world cruel. More importantly, it keeps you from considering you deserve anything other than cruelty. We need to care about each other.
It isn’t fine, your employer and your life should reflect that, but therapy for food in the face is weakness.
Totally aware the crowd here is all “self care, labels, wellness” and I’ll burn for this idea, but if we’re so broken that food to the face is needing another human to talk you through it for 60+ minutes then we are toast.
Good game.
The employer should pay, the criminal should pay. That should cover you.
Agree, Mauro didn’t fix shit, and tried to blame downstream applications. Punk move.
He should have asked for coaching
“Hey I es self reviewed my code, checked the docs, but I’m getting some unexpected errors when testing some downstream applications. Can you help me step through my code to check for silly mistakes or somewhere I went off track? I reviewed the core project rules so I’m confident the trouble likely exists within my changes”
Bet that would get a very very different response.
I didn’t experience a situation beyond singular reason
In this case the situation was simple enough for anyone to understand. (burrito to the face, the person was rude, wrong, and reaponsible. I did nothing wrong. done)
Trauma isn’t just for life threatening stuff, it’s essentially like having an event or series of events cause a switch to be installed in your brain which activates a feeling or a negative thought process you don’t really control. In a life threatening situation that feeling might be an overwhelming sense of danger and fear for your life or mistrust of people. If it’s loss related it is crushing reminders of your loss and how your life has changed.
In this instance I would imagine it is something more like : the uninteruptable thought process that other people don’t see you as fully human and that you are not a being worthy of basic respect and that something about you in particular invites abuse.
Something like that could be triggered just by showing up to your job and interrupting that thought process takes a lot of work because with trauma it’s basically instant. Working to disassociate the trigger from the feeling while still having to work to support yourself in jobs that reinforce that feeling would be hell. A lot of people who are living paycheck to paycheck are really harmed by just losing a few hours of work so even taking the time to leave and find a new job could create outsized financial issues.
Sure it would. 20 hours all over the place makes it really hard to schedule any other jobs or whatever (which they often do on purpose specifically to make it harder for you to find something else to reduce your availability), so it’s about as accurate as you can get knowing full well in 2 months you can return to your normal life…
Any punishment that isn’t a fine, jail time, or community service is unusual by definition because those are the typical consequences. However, it is written into our laws that a judge may deviate from this norm if they feel it more suitable. So yes, a judge could interpret this as unusual, but I they have the legal freedom to decide it’s not.
She was also given a choice so she isn’t being forced into the “unusual” punishment. She chose it over conventional punishments.
This link does a better job of elaboting than I could. But essentially there are punishments outlined for particular crimes. However, the judge may determine the severity of the outlined punishment on a case by case basis. Also, there are alternative punishments that a judge may use at their discretion, or at the request of the defense.
Its working in chipotle. Quite possibly the worst fast food place in the states. She should be assigned to work in a prison commissary instead. Much more humane.
The length of time is good, too. It takes you about a month to get competent, and another month to realize that no, it doesn’t matter how good you get. The job sucks regardless.
I hope they put her on register so she gets lots of face time with lovely customers like herself. No fair if she hides in back making guacamole all day!
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