‘It’s That Simple’: Mark Meckler Says The Only Way To Secure The Border Is By Invading Mexico

Mark Meckler is the president of the Convention of States Foundation and a leading proponent of the right-wing movement to get state legislatures to call for a dangerous Article V convention that will consider constitutional amendments to radically alter American government and society by making much of what the federal government now does unconstitutional.

“I don’t think there’s any way to solve this permanently without military action,” Meckler declared. “[We need a buffer zone] like the DMZ between the Koreas. It needs to be a kilometer of cleared territory that is a no man zone; you come in here and we believe you have hostile intent, we’re going to clear you out.”

“We need to exterminate the cartels and that means going into Mexico,” Meckler asserted. “Now people would say, ‘You’re violating a sovereign country’s territory.’ Well, Mexico is not a sovereign country any longer. Mexico is a failed narco state. The federal government is not in control of their military. The federal government is not in control of their police Their state governments are not, their local governments are not in control of their police forces. That is a failed narco-terrorist state and so we have to treat it as such.”

“To me, this is like Gaza. They’re invading our country. They’re invading our country every day. They’re killing our people, and we have to go in and use maximum force to oust them and create a buffer zone along the border. If we do that, we’ll have border security. It’s that simple.”

HuddaBudda,
HuddaBudda avatar

These people have no understanding of what a war with the Mexico cartels would look like.

People that think that Mexico will just roll out tanks. Not realizing that they would just attack our infrastructure and make it costly to move into Mexico

Political assassinations would be a monthly event. Mass shootings beyond the norm in America. Prices would shoot up. Drug epidemics would be in every major city as cartels would have to mass produce to fuel their war.

A war with Mexico is a war only weapon manufactures will win.

JJROKCZ,

That’s the point though… the GOP being able to enrich the MIC while killing brown people is all that gives them joy

Aatube,
Aatube avatar

Enriching the what?

unreasonabro,

Wow, how do you even get more murican at this point? Honestly, i’m just impressed

and a nefarious solution to all America’s problems has come to me - draft all your Republicans into the war they really want anyway! And then just leave em in mexico, without their trucks.

fidodo,

What if we take over Mexico and then make it part of the USA?

grayman,

With “New Mexico” already taken, I’m not sure that would work out.

Fedizen,

there’s a lot less US politicians wanting a luxury war with mexico than there are people in mexico who will shoot back. One wonders if these dumbasses realize the ramifications of an unpopular, pointless war would mean for them if people realize this.

Harbinger01173430,

So, Unitedstateians are gonna help deal with crime but will plant something different to create problems for mexico and the other latin american countries like in the previous century?

KillingTimeItself,

ok, well, lets roll that back a little bit.

Let’s say we help mexico in getting rid of the cartels. And then mexico can actually deal with it’s problems. Now we’re getting somewhere.

Frankly, i think the only true border solution, is dissolution of the cartels, in whatever manner that happens to be. Then facilitating good relations with mexico, considering their place as a trade partner at the moment, that just seems universally beneficial.

mods_are_assholes,

We could end Cartels in a year by just decriminalizing all drugs. And there is evidence that this, accompanied by a comprehensive addiction recovery drive is actually MORE effective at reducing drug use than punishing addicts.

But since Cruelty is the Point here in the U.S. for half the voting population don’t see it happening any time soon.

KillingTimeItself,

that is also a valid strategy, but there are complications to that of which i will not get into since that is beyond the point. Though that would really only remove the drug trade from the cartel, other crime, and various shenaniganry would still be up for the taking (they might even increase human trafficking)

AscendantSquid,

You know, because the only people crossing the border are Mexicans. And Mexican cartels have been the only driver of emigration.

squidman,

Earth. Hitler. 1938.

Maggoty,

Gaza 2006-present.

S_204,

This seems well thought out.

BeautifulMind,
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The logic of this rhetoric is essentially the same as the logic of modern Russia- “we need a buffer zone”, and the target country “is not a country” and it’s not genocide or imperialism when we have a reason to do it but we don’t have a reason so we have to tell lies to convince our people that we do have one.

Maggoty,

Well here we go. This time next year they’ll be finding yellow cake in Mexico City.

postmateDumbass,

There’s lithium in them their hills.

Maggoty,

Eh, their ideology is enough. Especially since we’ve got more than enough lithium in the Salton Sea, which is already an environmental disaster zone.

postmateDumbass,

US doesn’t go to war without an economic incentive. Oil, opioids, etc.

Maggoty,

No we solved that in Iraq. The big money maker is the war itself. Supplying the soldiers, bases, and Reconstruction needs. All at an outrageous markup and done as cheaply as possible. (If it gets done at all)

postmateDumbass,

Right, absolutely no oil in Iraq…

Maggoty,

Iraq famously retained control of its oil. International news conferences and everything. While some American companies got contracts to run oil fields from the Iraqi government, there’s also Chinese and Iraqi companies with significant holdings there too.

postmateDumbass,

The disruption of supply while the fields burned and had to be rebuilt made a killing for the Saudi Arabian friends/sponsors of the Bush family.

Maggoty,

The contracting for services to the oil fields is up to the companies that won the auctions from the Iraqi government. Which also falls under, Reconstruction and service contracts. Furthermore, that doesn’t mean we get the oil. That oil is still owned by the company that owns the rights and most of it goes to Asia.

The closest we came to “doing it for the oil” is to increase the global supply of oil. And when I tell you they made ten times as much supplying and building the FOBs, I am not being sensational.

RizzRustbolt,

Mark… how did that work for you the last time?

That’s right… you fell down and broke your Alamo.

Dkarma,

Member when George Bush shut down the border completely and it only lasted 48 hrs before his phone was ringing off the hook with angry corporate farm owners???

I member.

B_Larson,

The War in Iraq lasted 8 years and cost over 1 trillion dollars.

So aside from the immense risk of starting a war with a nation right next door to you, ...aside from the fact that there would be no clear strategic objectives, it would also cost a fortune.

If the US wass really serious about supporting the Mexican government against the cartels, then they would start with increasing financial aid to said government. But these very same people would probably be against that idea.

UnderpantsWeevil,
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The War in Iraq lasted 8 years and cost over 1 trillion dollars.

We invaded in 2003 and never really left. In fact, US military units in the country got hit by Iranian rockets just a few weeks ago. They’re still costing money, btw.

If the US wass really serious about supporting the Mexican government against the cartels

The US isn’t going to fight the cartels. The US loves the cartels. They get us all the drugs we consume and give us a lucrative market to sell our surplus small arms.

MelodiousFunk,
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The US loves the cartels. They get us all the drugs we consume and give us a lucrative market to sell our surplus small arms.

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Isoprenoid,

it would also cost a fortune.

That’s the point. Follow the money.

limelight79,

Yeah, what’s the endgame of invading? Make Mexico part of the US? Uh…aren’t the racists going to have a problem with that?

PRUSSIA_x86,

The endgame is extermination, always has been.

some_guy,

Why don’t we just declare war on the entire world. Maybe then these shitbags will have the show they wanna watch.

agent_flounder,
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Let’s give them the best seat in the house, then. Put em on the front lines.

theodewere,
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best thing for Texas to do is secede so that Mexico can re-occupy it.. then the border becomes Oklahoma's problem, and Texas doesn't have to worry about it any more..

InternetCitizen2,

And the magas insist they have ideas worth listening to.

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