Asking or telling the authority to stop, is the same as voting (in 6 months) for a new authority who will (probably) drive the trolley a bit faster. Will there still be children on the tracks by then? Who knows!
“Thank you for calling 911. We care about your emergency and will respond as soon as we vote on who will answer the phone. Our next election will take place in three days. Please hold.”
is the trolley named atrocity? Or is it actively committing an atrocity? Or is it’s name atrocity, which is why it’s committing an “atrocity” but actually it could be tongue in cheek so it may actually be both of them.
also what happens if you just pull it yourself, is that not antisemitism? Seems like a loop hole to me.
If you encourage the authority to pull the lever, though, you’re complicit in the atrocities already committed, so you should definitely just sit this one out. /s
Errr yeah but it doesn’t count as genocide, it only went over a small fraction of the people. It’s not genocide until it’s all of them! I am very smart.
My thought exactly. Instead of talking if it’s right or wrong and if it should stop, be should focus on more important questions like is it genocide and is it antisemitic.
According to the trolley operator, one in three people tied to the tracks is Hamas.
Why would you sympathize with Hamas? They’ve been trying to blow that trolley up for years. If we don’t run them over now, they’ll just try to do it again.
if we’re “uhm akshuallying” here, technically genocide is a past tense term judging by its common contextual use, and any other use case of it is grammatically incorrect.
Mass murder/mass homicide would be more accurate, or perhaps a different term altogether. Genocidal is a different form of it so it doesnt count under this, though it could technically apply here as well.
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There was someone who worked in Washington who made a proposal that the nuclear launch codes should be printed on a little capsule that was surgically implanted inside a man who would travel around with the president, in kind of the same way that the briefcase or whatever-it-is travels around with him under the current system.
The deal was, if the president wanted to launch a nuclear strike, he had to take a big knife and kill the man to cut him open to get to the capsule. Kind of come to grips on an individual level with what he was dealing with, and what it meant on at least some level, instead of just pushing some buttons in an air conditioned office.
I don't think this was ever meant as a serious proposal. The person who invented it was just trying to make a point. But it did get relayed to at least one person who worked in the Pentagon who got very upset at the idea and started arguing against it. What if, he said, the president looks at what's in front of him and can't do it. That would be terrible.
I get the idea, but what if the kill-guy fights back and at the last minute decides he doesn’t want to be a sacrificial lamb? I can imagine that as some sort of 70s tv series about a guy on the run from the government and a president who wants all-out war.
That’s fine. But also the guy could be handcuffed to a secret service agent or something. It’s not like there aren’t a bunch of buff dudes around the president at all times. The purpose of the exercise would probably be enhanced if the guy didn’t want to die.
I dunno I mean it’s a pretty different proposal to logically come to the idea of like. oh something that’s an existential threat needs to be nuked, whether that be like, godzilla, which is NOT a good idea, or like, just ensuring MAD because fuck it, I guess, or like, north korea or something, right, there’s a difference between that, which should probably be a pretty cold and calculated decision, and like, killing someone, presumably that you know quite well after travelling with them for you know, at most, eight years, and then rooting through their corpse to find a little code with what’s probably a time critical objective. I think probably, as another commenter pointed out, you would want to elect the president that can’t kill a person. That’s a better president, than the one that can, probably.
Bigger hole than all that, though: the president would probably just ask the secret service to do it, and the secret service would probably comply.
Edit: I was going to add more detail to my comment and speak to both sides but why should I have to? The cartoon endeavors to simplify the most complex issue of the last fifty years, why should I have to add more context to a comment on one post, on a small community, on a small social network?
Yeah. The person preventing the lever from being pulled is also screaming that the person who wants to pull it is a tankie and a trump supporter in addition to being antisemitic.
Oxford defines a Muslim as a person who follows the religion of Islam. That’s accurate. The ethnicity of Palestinians would be Levantine, or Broadly Arab, according to genetics websites. Based on my comment, I think you may be comparing it to the ethnicity of Jews. There actually is a scientific difference, one is a religion, while the other is a religion and a genealogical ethnicity, and it absolutely can be confusing.
My ex and I both did DNA testing a few years ago. Hers came back as 99.8% Ashkenazi Jew. Her family emigrated from Russia when the Jews were chased out by the Bolsheviks. Some may consider that Russian ancestry. Scientifically, it’s not. She’s genealogically Jewish. It even has bearing on efficacy of certain medical treatments and hereditary health.
So someone could be genealogically Jewish and not practice Judaism, like 45% of Israeli Jews who are non-secular, or someone could practice Judaism without being of Jewish ethnicity. I hope that helps clarify some of the confusion.
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Semite: “a member of any of a number of peoples of ancient southwestern Asia including the Akkadians, Phoenicians, Hebrews, and Arabs” So, how is it anti-semitic to be pro-palestine?
Yes, that is the etymology. Queer no longer means odd, and literally now also means figuratively.
Antisemitism is the belief or behavior hostile toward Jews just because they are Jewish. It may take the form of religious teachings that proclaim the inferiority of Jews, for instance, or political efforts to isolate, oppress, or otherwise injure them. It may also include prejudiced or stereotyped views about Jews.
It is not antisemitic to be pro-Palestine if you ask anyone other than Netanyahu. I know many Jews that resent him for using that term in defense of his actions, and the actions of the IDF.
You have that reversed. Etymology is the study of the origin of words and the way in which their meanings have changed throughout history. The origin of Semite no longer applies to the word as it is used today.
The only reason it’s unique to Jews is because it’s both a form of racism and religious persecution. One can be genealogically an Ashkenazi Jew but not practice Judaism, or vice-versa.
It’s possible. Language evolves. You’re likely not going to get it to catch on with root awareness. That’s hardly how English has evolved for the last century.
Root awareness as well as prefixes and suffixes are the key to contextual understanding of English through its Latin and Romantic influence. Have you seen the words and alternate definitions that have been added to the dictionary in the last decade? They’re colloquial slang.
You know, I haven’t looked at anything linguistics related since taking Latin in college, but I am roughly aware of there being a trend of new words being added for sometimes popular usage reasons as opposed to true neologisms.
Totally random, but one of my favorite things about studying Latin was finally understanding who/whose/which lol
Qui, quid, quod, cuem, cuius? I don’t know if I remember correctly myself. It was a nightmare to understand at first.
Yes, all dictionary updates are colloquially based. Meaning the word or alternate definition must be widely adopted in everyday language. All new admissions are based on what people use, not what words are “supposed to mean.”
Aye, those be the ones. Cuius almost even sounds like “whose” if you chop off the k sound. Pheweee, by the end of the 4th semester, I was drowning in different ablatives.
Well, I’m going to keep on popularizing retro-definitions and roots, unless you have a different recommendation in this specific situation?
Should I keep reminding people the Arabs and Jews are both Semites? Or would you argue that only Jews are Semitic?
No, you’re right. They’re both Semites. The thing is, the Jews have been persecuted for two millennia, to the point that it’s a massive part of their culture. Half of their holidays are in remembrance of moments of past persecution. They need a word to define it, since neither racism nor religious persecution applies. That’s the really shitty thing about Netanyahu wielding it in defense of his actions. Besides putting a target on the back of Jews around the world that have no connection to Zionism, it dilutes a concept that has plagued the Jews for all of their recorded history.
Yeah, but they flip it. It’s not about the effects of persecution. They focus all of the stories and holidays on how unity and remembrance got them through the oppression. It’s actually kind of beautiful.
No doubt, thanks for sharing that; there is beauty in everything, if you know where to look. For all the invictive and hate lodged at Islam and Muslims, there is so much beauty in it, too.
American Christians are so threatened by Muslims, yet many don’t realize that The Bible is to the Torah, as the Quran is to the Bible. Muslims follow Jesus’s teachings too. Some might even say better than Christians. All three religions also follow a very similar story of origin found in the Torah.
Hate is commonly born from fear of the unknown and unfamiliar. I’m sure many would be surprised to learn of their similarities.
Yeah it does. It has additional meanings, but it also retains that one.
literally now also means figuratively.
Over my dead body! Just because an authority says something unacceptable is acceptable doesn’t make it so. See also: the Israeli government committing genocide.
It is not antisemitic to be pro-Palestine
Correct.
if you ask anyone other than Netanyahu
Frustratingly, he’s far from the only Zionist demagogue spreading that particular lie. It’s become less effective recently, but it’s been used to shut down any criticism of the apartheid regime for decades…
Over my dead body! Just because an authority says something unacceptable is acceptable doesn’t make it so. See also: the Israeli government committing genocide.
Maybe this isnt the right place to interject here: but yes, it now also means figuratively. Not because an authority said so, but because a sizable portion of native english speakers use it to mean figuratively. Thats how language works.
That’s a textbook appeal to popularity fallacy. Just because many people make the same mistake doesn’t mean it becomes correct.
The most popular electric car brand is Tesla. That doesn’t mean that Teslas don’t have the build quality of a 1980s Yugo and the price tag of a brand new Jaguar.
Don’t use other people being stupid as an excuse to be stupid, is what I’m saying.
This is a bad comparison. Language absolutely works as described in the previous comment. While certain trends such as using “literally” to mean “figuratively”, are personally super annoying, that doesn’t change the fact it’s 100% correct when enough people do it.
And you will die on a linguistically untenable hill. Redefining words had happened throughout history and language hasnt died out and its not gotten worse.
No, the authority said so. The OED regularly updates words and definitions in the dictionary based on colloquial usage. Literally also means figuratively according tho the oldest and most respected dictionary of the English language.
Correct. You’ve just described how the language you’re using has come to be. It evolves over time, and the OED is the most respected documenter of that change. We don’t use the same English that was standard a century ago. Wheat is colloquial now is the standard.
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