@feld Legally it doesn’t make sense to allow miscegenation but disallow cousin incest, as the former causes significantly more health problems for the child than the latter (especially in the case of very genetically distant people like Europeans and black Africans) youve already ceded the “health of the child” argument as insufficient. Beyond that, legal precedent in America is pretty clear that nothing involving the law and sexual morality much matters beyond the consent of the involved parties.
> Legally it doesn’t make sense to allow miscegenation but disallow cousin incest, as the former causes significantly more health problems for the child than the latter
Which specific health issues are caused by mixed race human babies?
@feld They experience widespread mental health diseases such as depression, are more prone to developing genetic disorders, when they experience more typical health problems they have a harder time managing them due to worse side affects from drugs, lack of compatible blood and organ doners, specifically their relatives aren’t usually compatible when that’s usually who people get to donate to them. Contrast with children of cousin incest, there’s really nothing substantial in the scientific literature, at best you can look at populations where cousin incest is common like Pakistan and blame negative outcomes there on it but it’s just a correlation, and you can always find countries with higher rates of cousin incest and higher levels of wealth and quality of life that disprove it. But don’t take my word for any of this, it’s all out there on Google and pub med this isn’t esoteric knowledge.
@jimmybuffettfanaccount the only data I can find by attempting to research what you're referring to is "depression". Which is not a genetic disorder.
You'd think if this was true we'd see it throughout the animal kingdom: mixed breed dogs an horses having tons of health issues when actually instead it strengthens their bloodlines
edit: and the depression is because being mixed race can make your social life hell as a kid.
@sapphire@jimmybuffettfanaccount In your excitation at the idea of spewing racist trash on the internet you couldn't keep it in your tiny brain that organ transplants are just blood type, while bone marrow transplants are the real complication for mixed race people.
@feld dog and horse breeds =/= human races. all dog breeds are descended from the same common ancestor, wolves, and all horses descend from the horses first domesticated in the Eurasian steppes. And so consequently genetic health increases when you mix dog or horse breeds, many of which have been seriously inbred into poor health outcomes. For humans, genetic studies have disproved the out of Africa hypothesis for humans, we seem to have evolved convergently from a number of distinct but different early hominid ancestor species (10% of the genome of sub Saharan Africans is from an unknown ancestor different from any other race) that have different degrees of compatibility. Rather than comparing us to dog breeds a better comparison is donkeys and horses or lions and tigers. They can breed because they have enough common ancestry but their offspring are not as genetically healthy as offspring of lions and other lions, etc.
@feld@jimmybuffettfanaccount
Racism aside, can you walk me from first principles to your implicit assertion that peer reviewed academic papers constitute the absolute method by which truth is gleaned?
I've wanted to ask a "do you have a study" person this for a while.
If you're being serious there are many well documented health issues especially for European/East Asian mixed. For example, my friend needed a marrow transplant and because no one has the exact right mixture of Germanic and Japanese genes he died. All this shit is a Google search away you retard. Get you head out of your locally brewed IPAs and educate yourself.
@nozaki Yes it does severely complicate bone marrow transplants. It does not for organ transplants. I’m still looking for these "many well documented health issues" as the bone marrow one is the only that people seem to be able to cite.
And neither of these are "genetic problems" a child is born with simply due to being mixed race; it’s a complication of getting treatments later in life.
@feld@jimmybuffettfanaccount
Mixed breed dogs & horses though are still the same species. It would be more accurate to compare against zebra, donkey, horse, etc., hybrids. Given the genetic distance between, say, Anglo Saxons and Australian Aborigines is much greater than between any two horse breeds.
@feld If we classified humans according to the same criteria as we did all other animals (i.e., impartially) then that would be the case. There are 10,000 species of different birds, many of which are nearly identical. Yet for political reasons we treat all humans as a single species.
@parker@feld@Hyolobrika humans are all genetically very similar so there is not ill effects nor hybrid vigor from interbreeding. there are differences but they are just not very much. I've read there is some difference with australian aborigines from everyone else but I don't know the details. measuring genetic "distance" is not objective, there are different ways of doing it.
@Moon@feld@Hyolobrika
I mean, the health problems that arise from mixing between very different human groups (bone marrow transplants) don't really apply to dogs & wolves in the first place. Maybe it would be an issue if we were doing that for them (I'd have to check). But by that token, whatever criteria we use to separate coyotes and wolves into different species should be sufficient to separate a number of human groups into different species.
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