baldur,
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“The quiet, pervasive devaluation of frontend - Josh Collinsworth blog” https://joshcollinsworth.com/blog/devaluing-frontend

ektotherm,
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@baldur interesting. I'd never really thought about why HTML & CSS are often considered "not real programming". Kinda similar to people thinking Python is not a "serious" language.

baldur,
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@ektotherm Yup. Very similar.

Annalee,
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@baldur what is odd to me about this article is that the author clocks the gendered nature of this but doesn't really get into the history of that specifically as it relates to front end.

Annalee,
@Annalee@wandering.shop avatar

@baldur when I was starting to code, "front end is devalued because people think it's women's work" was well-known.

Then, as with other types of computing, there was an intentional effort by men to revitalize front end's image by masculinizing it. The broification of the front end pushed many women out (because the culture was hostile!). Wages and prestige rose. Institutional knowledge and best practices were lost to this "disruption."

None of this "just happened."

Annalee,
@Annalee@wandering.shop avatar

@baldur and to the point of institutional knowledge being lost we've now got folks equivocating and unsure if this is "really" happening when it's been happening the whole time.

If there was a brief reprieve from it, it was because of broification, not because it was a more enlightened time.

baldur,
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@Annalee Yeah, definitely. I think he doesn’t go into the history of the issue because he isn’t aware of the history and thinks the brief reprieve represents the former status quo

And, like you way, it wasn’t really a reprieve. Attitudes towards CSS and non-framework frontend work continued to be the same. It was more like a short term React bubble than anything else

I’m glad that more people are noticing the devaluation. The blindness to history is frustrating, though.

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