I’m a long time RIF user myself and as much as it would be great to have a Lemmy version we have so much to choose from it literally doesn’t matter at all. You can tweak Connect to basically work similar to RIF if you want.
Please don’t hate on the dev or Tildes itself, it serves no purpose at all and we are better than that as a community.
This is great! The road is finally rising with all the alternatives and as a Tildes user, i'm excited to install this, and maybe improve my engagement there.
What app are all you former RIF users using here on Lemmy? I’m trying Connect and it’s pretty good but I’m wondering if there is something better out there.
I’ve honestly never heard of Tildes til this post. As far as I can tell since there’s no API he’s just scraping html which is not ideal, but still it’s worth checking out. I love that developers are still determined to make 3rd party apps.
If you know some Java, you may try to look into it with Jadx. It’s a Java decompiler with Android support, and can also export code an Android Studio project if you don’t like the built-in code viewer. It’s on GitHub.
That seems like a pretty bad platform to develop an app for then lol at least APIs try to maintain backwards-compatibility (and give you only the data you need in an easier format), I can’t imagine that being sustainable long-term.
Narwhal is a Reddit browsing app that will adapt to the new pricing structure by making its users pay for the app. The subscription will cost between $4 and $7, its developer said.
That’s exactly how I feel about Twitter and Facebook, so I avoid all of that. Reddit was great because there wasn’t really any benefit to getting “popular” on the platform, and Lemmy is scratching that itch for me as well.
I haven’t actually looked at Tildes seriously because when I first heard about it years ago, it just didn’t have much content and was invite only, so I bailed.
Lemmy is good enough for me, so I’m here. I could probably go through the effort of getting an account at Tildes and Lobsters, but that’s effort I should be spending not being on SM, so I just don’t bother. I go to SM to escape, and any barriers just remind me I should be doing something more productive.
Reddit was great because there wasn’t really any benefit to getting “popular” on the platform
Strongly disagree. The whole Karma / award / Gold system combined with algorithms ensures a certain type of posts are favored, and comments / discourse of certain type gets upvotes and visibility. There is a pattern under the most popular Reddit posts and comments and it’s not hard to see.
Lemmy has sort of a half-hearted voting system which I feel is actually beneficial to the experience and the fact there is no algorithm messing about is another big plus.
Sure, it favors types of posts, but not specific users. It still led to karma whoring having a certain value, but overall it seemed to have fewer of the problems of sites like Twitter and Facebook where followers matter. I’d rather have higher quality/popular content float to the top than popular contributors.
It certainly wasn’t perfect and I never claimed it was, but it was way better (for me) than most other social networks because people seemed a lot more genuine, especially on smaller subs (e.g. anything under 1M subs or so, preferably 50-100k).
And yeah, so far Lemmy’s solution seems to work well, and I guess we’ll see if the continues as it grows.
I think that’s an strong statement and overreaction on your part, but to that point mass adoption isn’t always a good thing.
I find that the content on Tildes are generally more respectful, thoughtful and higher quality. Much better signal to noise ratio. Lemmy does have quality stuff but there is also a lot more low quality / low effort content to wade through. Just look at the state of Showerthoughts / AskLemmy if you are looking for examples.
But is it though? By definition moderation and adminstration means a certain set of standard and rules to keep the community / site runs well. Tildes simply has their own set of standards that so far I think is working well.
Lemmy has mods too and there are plenty of powertripping drama. Does that make Lemmy elitist? Or less so simply because it allows shitposts and memes?
And the best part about Lemmy/Reddit is that I can look at that low effort content if I want (it’s a fun time waster) and ignore it if I don’t (I don’t sub to any large communities).
With Tildes, there’s fewer people so I have less to choose from.
And that’s totally fine. I have both and use both on a daily basis.
I just find it strange that people shitting on Tildes despite that it’s overall a healthy and well run community. We should really be glad that other communities are coming up, they are not mutually exclusive after all.
Absolutely! I just find Lemmy is more interesting to me than Tildes. I’m glad both exist, and I’m glad RIF supports both. Maybe I’ll give it another shot at some point.
The real issue with Reddit is a lack of real competition. Ideally, there would be several similar services and people would pick and choose between them. That way, if one goes down or otherwise becomes less attractive, there’s a backup to flock to that already has the capacity to take on those new users.
Cool! Don’t care! Fuck Tildes. And I’m a longtime RIF user and Tildes alpha user. (And it’s still in alpha, years later…) It’s a weird ass place over there. Not too keen on their “private club” theme centered around the “God of Tildes” either.
I’m also a Tildes alpha user, and while I don’t go there very often, I’m pretty surprised to see all this hate. Never had any issues with the site operator myself, nor have I heard about any issues. Can you elaborate?
Why of all the alternatives to reddit did the rif dev had to go with the shittyest one, i heard that the admins over there are even worse than they where back at reddit. I used riff almost since i started to interact with reddit and it was a beautifull app. Why didnt they go for a lemmy app? Why that horrible place of tildes…? I dont know but its probably safe to blame the beans.
Edit: Lots of Tildes lovers over here, arent yah? Look if you like the platform then more power to yah but my criticisms come from the moderation of that platform, its very sketchy and ban happy from what i heard, and imho a platform is limited by their moderators, and the jannies in tildes are the type that make you go “reddit moment” .
You're surely entitled to your opinion but I've been a Tildes user for a short while and have found the place to be lovely. Everyone seems very courteous and respectful, maybe to an extra degree. I've read some posts there that have said only a small number of people have been banned, around the order of a few every time membership opens up. You've and others on this thread have heard differently, though. This is just my one anecdotal experience.
Well if it works for you then thats good news i guess. But there is an anecdote of some very reddit moment a dev had over ther. I cant find the source but it was posted on r/save3rdpartyapps and in r/redditalternatives about a meltdown some dev had over some banned user, check out my profile if you whana read it. You are free to write me off as just making stuff up since i dont have the source.
The market is about to be flooded with Lemmy apps, many of which will be based on former reddit apps. And like it or not, most of these apps do ultimately exist to make money.
Tildes is not a Reddit alternative, it's got its own thing going. talklittle has been a member there for quite some time and so it makes sense. It's not for everyone, but I appreciate it.
I’m curious, how would you characterize it’s “thing”? I poked around a little and read a few comment threads. It looks like the social media version of npr lol. Very dry, matter of fact sorta vibe. I may have just picked some bad threads too
Maybe not the experience of comunicating to a teacher like im in elementary school or trying to get across to some jerryathic bureocrat? Im exagerating of course but what i mean its that how you describe it sounds sanitaced and restrictive, not fun in my opinion.
Well, more power to ya for that. But i believe that the folks over at Tildes moderation are the school class trying to pass as a teacher, or more likelly some guy trying to build an echochamber for themselves with a bunch of yes men and that doesnt lead to worthwhile discussion and just to a circlejerk, and if you whant one of those then you are better off listening to relaxing dolphin sounds, asmr or reiki on your favorite media platform since those are more reasuring, make you feel more safe and relaxed and probably would help you sleep better.
I don't know what you've been talking about there since I can't agree with that experience but get off your high horse if you can with that stick up your ass.
Up yours then asshole. Being all rude just for defending wortless tildes. Why arent you there right now then? Seing as you love it so much than you cant take critisism of it without being rude and atacking me, and why havent you been banned from there if this is how you react to a discusion, by atacking those you are arguing with? Well then just get over it punk.
Dude... Check out your own tone. I get you don't like it and while you didn't personally attack me you're just incredibly rude and no one but those that all ready think like you can agree with your comment.
And this is what i meant when i was telling you about why i prefer the free nature of something like lemmy rather that a restrictive echochameber like tildes, you can call me an ashole that takes drugs on top of a horse and i can call you a jerkish snowflake without any of us getting banned, and while yes the discusion did devolve into a monkey slap fight, whe can choose when to disengage and even if whe whant to block the other user. This choise is owrs and not of some power tripping jannie. If whe where having a discucion like this over at tilde whe both would have been banned by now for being rude. So my conclusion is fuck em (lol).
Well then, thats what happens when you lose credibility by insulting oneself, so now all i can offer you afther that is another monkey slap, so accept it if you whant or just move on, atleast before some asshat barges in and tells us to kiss or get a room. Im not even that butthurt abbout your horse riding up butt stick response, just disapointed.
You hear? I've popped in and out from time to time and haven't noticed such. As it's text and discussion first, it's definitely different vibe though and probably is moderated in that direction too.
I was looking for a story of someone that sayed they got banned by some developer of that platform just because they (the banned person) provided a dumb response, litterally “Adios”, to the dev on some meaningless argument that the dev wasnt even involved in in the beggining but involved midly critisicicing the platform or something like that. And whent they posted the story on reddit, the dev (aledgedly but more likelly than not) started using varius accounts calling them a liar and spamming in that particular post, and in the devs main reddit or tildes account they provided evidence that the banned individual was saying racial slurs and things like that, but the banned proved that that wasnt its account, it was someomelses username, and also the fact that that particular dev whent as far as to throw such a fit going as far as to try to disprove the claims of the banned person over such a small and obscure post that i cant even find anymore definetly raises some red flags to me at least. Like i said i cant find it anymore, it was posted on r/save3rdpartyapps and reposted on several subs. And recently i heard that the main dev calls themselves " The god of tildes" so thats another red flag that puts me of that place besides the invite only bs.
I'm going to keep this in the back of my mind going forward. With a grain of salt though since I haven't seen this with my own eyes.
But also from the first step I realized it was just privately owned and moderated platform and with that in mind I'm just putting in what I'm willing to loose. It's not mine, even in the sense that a subreddit community could've been presented to be "mine".
On a sidenote, I'm not feeling too good about kbin/Lemmy ATM. Since there are so many instances I'm seeing many reposts, maybe even back-to-back and I can't but my finger on the moderation standards that are set here (not that I've seen anything vile but just... Idunno it's hard to follow since there are so many admins and I don't know where to look).
Same here with the lemmy thing. But after being a some time on the internet, repost are something i kinda just have to accept as part of online comunities, since whe humans like to repeat shit we like and share it with other humans. Its chaotic, unsanitised, and if you look at it on the bigger picture, extremelly boring and repetitive. And it is true that mass reposting is a tactic used by bad actors to push their agenda in online comunities, and imo it just means that such bad actors have already arived to lemmy, which was just a matter of time if not that they already whhere here. Imo the spam of bs like identity politics and virtue signaling of it its proof of it if anything, and the popular tab of all the instances is starting to look an awful lot like r/all in its worst days with a lot off spam from american politics “communities” (more like circlejerks). And there are more reasons to distrust the fediverse like the cold shoulder hostility between some instances, beehaw, most of the userbase are exredditors and outcasts (but not the good kind), its creators are some edgy tankie larpin kids that couldnt get past their SOVIET MOTHERLAND COMRADE GREAT LEAP FOWARD face and activelly keep pushing it and banning whoever that doesnt play into their larping. But there are lots of reasons to love it, mailny that there is genuine free speech in here and its hard to shit all over it, since if you get banned you cam make another account on another instance and you get really good arguments with people that like to argue instead of just fight, not all of the ofcourse but most. I myself havent been banned from any comunity and if you check out my comment history youll know that im not the most agreable felha in here and like to play devils advocate a lot. Just dont 100% trust what you see on the internet and be aware that there is a bias and jannies are not your friends nor are they here to better the comunity, they are in it for the power fantasy.
What’s wrong with Squabbles? The UI looks neat and that’s about all I know
Around the beginning of July (and again in the middle of July), there were a lot of posts on r/redditalternatives promoting Squabbles. I'm not saying it was bots, but they had the odor—all newish users with the same name pattern, something like two diceware words and a four-digit number. E.g., Intrepid-Pangolin-4842.
And the posts had this exaggerated positivity, kind of like that terminal handing out affirmations in Demolition Man.
Then when I tried to use the site and give it a fair shake, I found that it felt like maybe a dozen real people and the rest were ... I dunno, bots again? Lots of one-word or one-sentence replies that didn't seem on topic at all? Very "Markovian Parallax."
The site purports to be influenced by Twitter and Reddit, so maybe that's part of the Twitter influence coming through (re: the shorter replies). I never really used Twitter/X, so I'm not sure.
Also I think there's no NSFW, which seems to be a deal breaker for some.
I feel like TalkLittle had already committed himself to making a Tildes app before it became apparent that the Tildes admins were a bit heavy-handed. I'd have to imagine that if that was known about earlier on, he may have gone with another platform.
I seem to recall him mentioning considering developing a Squabbles app, but I don't remember if I'm confusing TalkLittle with another dev on that one.
Now that you said so talklittle said in the goodbye post of rif that maybe work on a similar platform would beggin. I dont think its happening since nobody can just churn out apps left and right, but it shouldnt be super hard to mod rif into a fediverse app but i dont know since im more of a begginer in app design.
Yeah, I doubt we'll see it happen. Which is a shame, because I would love a fully RIF-cloned Lemmy app. I'd gladly pay for Lemmy Is Fun Golden Platinum all over again if he'd make it lol
I haven’t stopped using reddit. But starting to use lemmy more on a daily basis as my page starts to show contents that I am interested in. Reddit will be also used along with it until it’s demise. Not planning again to move to a centralised system for reddit like experience. Lemmy is the place I am going to settle. I will encourage people to be here. Those other places like squabbles, tildes, discuit etc can go down anytime. There will be atleast some people here in lemmy, atleast the hardcore ones who support alternatives like lemmy. Because it is not in the control of one person or centralised authority.
Probably because when people were suggesting Reddit alternatives a TON of people showed interest in Tildes. Then, as far as I know, it never took off because it was invite only?
We have all of the larger Android Reddit app developers making Lemmy apps already. I’m pretty happy with Lemmy.
Yeah but I mean he should at least researched how good or active Tildes was?
Or is it more active than Lemmy?
I don’t know how to create apps, but IMHO that seems to involve a lot of time and research, even if you have a full baked one for other service, so I wouldn’t rush launching it into a “x” (no Elon shit) alternative?
Well I bet he has his reasons.
EDIT: Nevermind I got a repose with the context about his reasonings:
Talklittle themself has said that it’s actually because they were already working on a tildes app before the reddit API changed. Tildes was different enough from reddit that they felt comfortable investing the time. Then 3rd party apps got booted and everyone started moving over, and at that point it was easier to keep working on the same tildes app than to start anything new.
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